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24 Jun 2022, 10:48 am

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. . . Do they strengthen the laws against sexual assault to offset this?
"They" are pro-birth, not pro-life.

• Are they anti-death penalty?

• Are they anti-war?

• Do they provide free post-natal health care for poor mothers and their babies?

• Do they provide funding for free school-lunch programs for poor students?

• Do they provide housing vouchers for the homeless?



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24 Jun 2022, 10:48 am

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If you are in a red state, you most likely never would have been or would be interested in getting an abortion.
That's extreme wishful thinking.
Ok, of course men never consider getting an abortion. And some women, as long as their situation is roughly okay - that includes myself. And old people. Here, you've got majority in any state.

The problem is only with women who feel desperate. But they are never the majority. You tell me they don't exist in Red states?


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24 Jun 2022, 10:50 am

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Well f**k the supreme court, I wish I could poop in their chairs.

In some states women will die if their pregnancy goes wrong and they need an abortion, I hope it happens to couples who support the supreme court on this. :D


And all because 6 years ago, people couldn't stomach the idea of a female president.



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24 Jun 2022, 11:07 am

I don't advocate for any violence over this. We can't get violent every time we don't agree with something.

It's an unfortunate decision, indeed. It probably will mean many "red states" will ban at least most abortions.

It will mean that women stuck in a desperate situation (perhaps not of their own making) will resort to dangerous means to have an abortion---dangerous in the sense that the abortion procedure will cause great harm or death because of unsterilized instruments, and other causes.

This decision denies women dominion over their own bodies.



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24 Jun 2022, 11:10 am

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This decision denies women dominion over their own bodies.


Absolutely.

This denies girls and women the fundamental human right of bodily ownership that boys and men have.
This begins at birth whether the girl / woman ever falls pregnant or not.

Which of their body parts do men not own?



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24 Jun 2022, 11:11 am

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I don't advocate for any violence over this. We can't get violent every time we don't agree with something.

It's an unfortunate decision, indeed. It probably will mean many "red states" will ban at least most abortions.

It will mean that women stuck in a desperate situation (perhaps not of their own making) will resort to dangerous means to have an abortion---dangerous in the sense that the abortion procedure will cause great harm or death because of unsterilized instruments, and other causes.

This decision denies women dominion over their own bodies.


It's a backwards ruling made by backwards people.



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24 Jun 2022, 11:11 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
If you are in a red state, you most likely never would have been or would be interested in getting an abortion.


Nonsense.


I was trying to think of a polite way to answer this too, Sweetleaf.
You're more tactful than I am.

I live in a red state and know several women that exercised their right to choose.


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24 Jun 2022, 11:13 am

The very people that want abortions banned are usually the same that b***h about single women with kids getting government aid.


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24 Jun 2022, 11:14 am

Misslizard wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
If you are in a red state, you most likely never would have been or would be interested in getting an abortion.


Nonsense.


I was trying to think of a polite way to answer this too, Sweetleaf.
You're more tactful than I am.

I live in a red state and know several women that exercised their right to choose.


It's not just about women, either.
I believe men / fathers are hurt by this ruling too.
It's f****ed up in so many ways.



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24 Jun 2022, 11:15 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't advocate for any violence over this. We can't get violent every time we don't agree with something.

It's an unfortunate decision, indeed. It probably will mean many "red states" will ban at least most abortions.

It will mean that women stuck in a desperate situation (perhaps not of their own making) will resort to dangerous means to have an abortion---dangerous in the sense that the abortion procedure will cause great harm or death because of unsterilized instruments, and other causes.

This decision denies women dominion over their own bodies.


I think doctors should perform abortions the way they've always done, in plain view of every church, courthouse, police station, sheriff's office, state capitol, state supreme court, and governor's mansion in all the states where it will become illegal---as an act of defiance.



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24 Jun 2022, 11:16 am

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The very people that want abortions banned are usually the same that b***h about single women with kids getting government aid.
They are actually "Pro-Birth", not "Pro-Life".



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24 Jun 2022, 11:34 am

Honestly, considering how much the Supreme Court leans right at this time, it's not really a surprise. Never-the-less, it's a huge disappointment. I'm not sure I, personally, would ever decide to have an abortion. But, each woman should be able to decide that for herself. In the near future, I expect to see millions of women marching on Washington to voice their displeasure about this decision.



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24 Jun 2022, 11:35 am



Six Years of 'Tribulation' Since TRuMP Was Selected As the
Republican Choice for President And What Have Those Six Years

(i've Been Penning it All Down in "Nether Land Bible" Since Memorial
Day Weekend of 2016, 8.1 MiLLioN Words And Thousand Upon Thousands
of Multi-Media References in A Longest EPiC Long Form Poem and Just
A Subchapter of "SonG oF mY SoUL" 10.6 MiLLioN Words in 106 Months;

Just Something to Do As a Free Special Interest and Retirement Hobby
Totally Financially Independent, Just Killing ALL TiME ETeRNAlly NoW iN A Blissful
Autotelic Meditative Flow of Poetry and 16,818 Miles of Public Dance in Flow Too.)

Shown Since Then, in Terms of Rights to BREATHING LIFE, LIBERTY, AND
THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS FOR BOTH INDIVIDUALS AND GROUPS;

ELECTIONS COUNT!! !

IN TERMS OF GREATER NUMBERS OF PANDEMIC DEATHS;
IN TERMS OF OVERTURNING REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY;
IN TERMS OF WOMEN'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS FOR REPRODUCTIVE

FREEDOMS...

NoW AND IN TERMS OF VOTING FOR A DEMAGOGUE WHO ASSERTED
THAT HIS FOLLOWERS WOULD CONTINUE TO SUPPORT HIM EVEN IF
HE SHOT SOMEONE ON 5TH AVENUE IN CLEAR VIEW FOR ALL TO SEE;

BANG BANG BANG!

Well By Metaphor
He Continues to assist
in Unraveling the Rights For
Breathing Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness for All;

Yet it is still AS Whole, We The People, Who Let the Wolf in the Hen House to Feast...

Oh By 'The Way,' Wolves Are Lovely Creatures, Particularly when They are Wild And Free too

And Don't
Feast on
Scape
Lambs
And Goats
AS Such All PeNNeD iN...

There is A Minority of Folks Who Have A Religious Conviction to Change
The Rule of Our Representative Democracy Back Even Further to A Third

World Theocracy;

They Are Tenacious And Cohesive in Their Effort to accomplish this

Goal; They Get Out and Vote And Will Bend And Break Every Rule

And Even Laws to Achieve THeir Morally Relativistic

So-Called Superior Conviction; 90 Percent or So
Of Americans Wanted Some kind of Restriction on Gun
Control and The American Way Came Through at Least
in terms of A Fair Representative Democracy to Some Extent...

70 Percent or So of Americans Are Most Definitely Against
Removal of Abortion Rights in Cases of Incest and Rape Still Now; Yes,

Now the States Are in Control; Yet it is Still We The People Who Have
the Right to Vote in Our House of Representatives and CongressFolks;

Yawn, As Long As We Have

A Representative

Democracy; Yes, Really,

We Have the Potential
For Change; Yawn, Get Out
And Vote or Let Someone Else Rule Our World...

And Sadly, the Reality is Folks Who Live on the Level
of Existence of Not having enough money to Buy Food, Drink,
Shelter, And Gasoline to Get to Work, No Matter What the Long Term
Consequences are of Voting for Someone Like Trump Again Will Make

That Choice

Come Hell
Or High Water
Just to Survive NoW...

And This is what Happens
When 4 Percent of the Global Population
in a Consumer Culture Consumes Close to

40 Percent of the Human Resources on Earth;

Close to 40 Percent of World Pandemic Deaths;

Close to 40 Percent of World Mass Shooting Deaths;

'Karma' Bites Back, Action and Consequence Reality is...

Eat the Face of Nature OUT OF BALANCE and The

Face of Nature Bites

Back As We aRe Nature

And More Than Frigging
Words in Some BLacK Book...

Nature Keeps Score And Most AlwayS EvenTuALLy
Wins the Game of Balance And the Resulting Carnage

of Course...

'She' Ain't
Got no
Favorites...

Humans are
Increasingly
Finding That Trial
And Tribulation as well to Be

A Real and Present Reality That Just Is...

That JusT iS...

That JusT iS...

JusTiCE No
One Will Escape
As We Are Equal
in Both Birth and Death...

From A Bigger Picture View
This ALL Is No Surprise at ALL...

It's Been Coming And IT's Still
Coming Now For Real...

Nature...

SHe'll Make HeR Way
Felt, Sensed, And KNoWN NoW For Real...

And Honestly We aRe ALL Qualified to
Dance And Sing For 'HeR' Wittingly or Not...

WE ARe aLL
Leaves of HeR
Living Tree 'Bible' For Real...

Some of Us With Deeper Roots
And Higher Branches Than OTHeRS of COuRSE...

Yet Still ParT of the ToGeTHeR Forest Tree Leaves Whole
Ocean Wave Water Field Wave Particles Just all This and That REAL Jazz...

ETeRNaLLY
NoW We Dance
And Sing For Real...

Now Reduced For Some
Folks to a Microscopic 'TRuMP'
And All His Associates of Course...

As A Real 'Rise of Gru' Continues to TAKE TRAction ThiS Way...



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24 Jun 2022, 11:38 am

SpiralingCrow wrote:
Honestly, considering how much the Supreme Court leans right at this time, it's not really a surprise. Never-the-less, it's a huge disappointment. I'm not sure I, personally, would ever decide to have an abortion. But, each woman should be able to decide that for herself. In the near future, I expect to see millions of women marching on Washington to voice their displeasure about this decision.


Same.
It's not about whether you would have one, or not.
It's about whether all human beings are equal under the law, with bodily autonomy and free will.

I would never have one.
I can say that because I fell pregnant from assault.
I had to make that choice, and I chose no.
I was extremely grateful it was MY CHOICE to say no, and not the government's.

Pro-Choice includes the right to say no on your own terms.