Why I would never support the Republican Party

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13 Jul 2022, 6:28 pm

The center has been hollowed out.

These days, anything to the right of the Squad is fascism, yet anything to the left of the Freedom Caucus is socialism.



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13 Jul 2022, 6:29 pm

Well, I wouldn't vote for a candidate from either of the criminal gangs posing as political parties in the U.S.

If you vote for Republicans and Democrats, you have no right to complain.


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13 Jul 2022, 6:36 pm

CubsBullsBears wrote:
The party of Qanon
The party of the anti-lgbt crowd
The party of insanely loose gun laws, which lets face it, is a reason for the shooting problem in the US, especially compared to other countries
The party of the types of people who think 10 year olds should have to give birth to their rape babies
The party of strict parents who don’t let teenagers live a normal teenage life
The party of the January 6th rioters
The party of people who think Trump won the 2020 election
The party of abstinence-only sex education
The party of harsher penalties, such as within the justice system(and also ties a bit into the 5th one)
The party of people who think COVID is/was a hoax
The party of people who believe in conversion therapy

Everyone who falls into any of those categories are generally people who vote republican.

I try my best to be open minded and I know not everyone on the right is like this. There have been times in the past where I’ll hear someone on the right make reasonable arguments. But it’s too hard for me to overlook all those other things for me to ever switch sides entirely.


What you are describing is a bunch of right wing radicals using the Republican Party for their own purposes. There are man Republicans out there who are actually Conservative and who detest radicals whether they are on the left of the right.



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14 Jul 2022, 7:51 pm

kokopelli wrote:
CubsBullsBears wrote:
The party of Qanon
The party of the anti-lgbt crowd
The party of insanely loose gun laws, which lets face it, is a reason for the shooting problem in the US, especially compared to other countries
The party of the types of people who think 10 year olds should have to give birth to their rape babies
The party of strict parents who don’t let teenagers live a normal teenage life
The party of the January 6th rioters
The party of people who think Trump won the 2020 election
The party of abstinence-only sex education
The party of harsher penalties, such as within the justice system(and also ties a bit into the 5th one)
The party of people who think COVID is/was a hoax
The party of people who believe in conversion therapy

Everyone who falls into any of those categories are generally people who vote republican.

I try my best to be open minded and I know not everyone on the right is like this. There have been times in the past where I’ll hear someone on the right make reasonable arguments. But it’s too hard for me to overlook all those other things for me to ever switch sides entirely.


What you are describing is a bunch of right wing radicals using the Republican Party for their own purposes. There are man Republicans out there who are actually Conservative and who detest radicals whether they are on the left of the right.

Well...where ARE they?

GOPers who still abide by GOP values...like the Constitution, rule of law, and democracy?

There is George Will, and Mitt Romney. Oh yes...and Pence did finnally uphold the rule of law. But the rest of GOPers in Power (Mitch McConnel, Ted Cruz) seem to have all sold their souls for mess of pottage and have joined the cult of Trump.



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14 Jul 2022, 7:55 pm

I don't feel Trump would win in 2024, if he ran.

I feel he might get 50 million votes, which would result in a Democratic landslide.



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14 Jul 2022, 9:25 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't feel Trump would win in 2024, if he ran.

I feel he might get 50 million votes, which would result in a Democratic landslide.
I hope there’ll be a bunch better democratic nominee running against him.


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14 Jul 2022, 11:22 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't feel Trump would win in 2024, if he ran.

I feel he might get 50 million votes, which would result in a Democratic landslide.


I'm afraid I don't share your expectations for the American people. Somehow doubt if 75 million voted for him in 2016 and voted for him again in 2020 then its likely "stupid is as stupid does" so history will repeat in 2024.

Add swinging voters who get sick of Biden after 4 years and Trump will be back older and maybe in a wheelchair (which would be ironic given he's also (among a multitude of flaws) an ableist



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15 Jul 2022, 12:54 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't feel Trump would win in 2024, if he ran.

I feel he might get 50 million votes, which would result in a Democratic landslide.

Right now Biden's popularity is well down in the 30s. This portends a Red Wave in this years midterms and state elections. What does the 2020 mid-terms and state elections have to do with the 2024 Presidential Election? States control how the Presidential election is run. They can run it in such a way that the electors of the state will vote for the Republican nominee no matter who wins the popular vote in that state. If despite this electoral college is still poised to elect the Democratic nominee a Republican-controlled Congress can refuse to certify the results. After observing how elected Republicans have acted in the last few years I have no doubt they would act in such an authoritarian manner.


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16 Jul 2022, 7:35 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't feel Trump would win in 2024, if he ran.

I feel he might get 50 million votes, which would result in a Democratic landslide.

Right now Biden's popularity is well down in the 30s. This portends a Red Wave in this years midterms and state elections. What does the 2020 mid-terms and state elections have to do with the 2024 Presidential Election? States control how the Presidential election is run. They can run it in such a way that the electors of the state will vote for the Republican nominee no matter who wins the popular vote in that state. If despite this electoral college is still poised to elect the Democratic nominee a Republican-controlled Congress can refuse to certify the results. After observing how elected Republicans have acted in the last few years I have no doubt they would act in such an authoritarian manner.


Every state that I know of chooses its electors based on the popular vote, not contrary to the popular vote.



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16 Jul 2022, 12:11 pm

kokopelli wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't feel Trump would win in 2024, if he ran.

I feel he might get 50 million votes, which would result in a Democratic landslide.

Right now Biden's popularity is well down in the 30s. This portends a Red Wave in this years midterms and state elections. What does the 2020 mid-terms and state elections have to do with the 2024 Presidential Election? States control how the Presidential election is run. They can run it in such a way that the electors of the state will vote for the Republican nominee no matter who wins the popular vote in that state. If despite this electoral college is still poised to elect the Democratic nominee a Republican-controlled Congress can refuse to certify the results. After observing how elected Republicans have acted in the last few years I have no doubt they would act in such an authoritarian manner.


Every state that I know of chooses its electors based on the popular vote, not contrary to the popular vote.

..until republicans in office at the state level change the laws governing state run federal elections.


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16 Jul 2022, 9:50 pm

kokopelli wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't feel Trump would win in 2024, if he ran.

I feel he might get 50 million votes, which would result in a Democratic landslide.

Right now Biden's popularity is well down in the 30s. This portends a Red Wave in this years midterms and state elections. What does the 2020 mid-terms and state elections have to do with the 2024 Presidential Election? States control how the Presidential election is run. They can run it in such a way that the electors of the state will vote for the Republican nominee no matter who wins the popular vote in that state. If despite this electoral college is still poised to elect the Democratic nominee a Republican-controlled Congress can refuse to certify the results. After observing how elected Republicans have acted in the last few years I have no doubt they would act in such an authoritarian manner.


Every state that I know of chooses its electors based on the popular vote, not contrary to the popular vote.

This is the era of we don't give a s**t about norms.


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17 Jul 2022, 1:18 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
This is the era of we don't give a s**t about norms.


Correction, this is the era where norms are invented in boardrooms



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18 Jul 2022, 7:29 am

I wouldn't support them because they wouldn't support me. Where's the logic in helping somebody richer than I am to become even richer at my expense? The right wing seems to feel that it's OK for one person to have loads of possessions and servants while another person barely has enough to live on and has to spend their entire life serving some jumped-up wealthy boss. They justify it by pretending that people are poor because they're lazy.

Right-wingers don't want redistribution, they don't want healthcare to be independent of the individual's ability to pay - so if you're poor and you need medical aid, you don't get it. They don't like unemployment handouts - so people are scared of quitting their jobs however unreasonable the demands on them become. They'd rather 10 disabled people get thrown to the wolves than 1 person get away with pretending to be disabled.

So many Republicans supported Trump. They knew what he was, but while they thought he was popular enough to put them into power they were happy enough to hold their noses and back him up. They're still squeamish now about admitting what a jerk he was, because they think he might be back with his fan base to get them elected again.



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18 Jul 2022, 10:29 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
So many Republicans supported Trump. They knew what he was, but while they thought he was popular enough to put them into power they were happy enough to hold their noses and back him up. They're still squeamish now about admitting what a jerk he was


This is the exact situation we have now in the UK with Johnson and Brexit. So many of them lied to help him knowing it would retain their position, that now he has gone they are all in a muddle what to do, and the party in general has become a laughing stock



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18 Jul 2022, 12:24 pm

I rather thought Boris was finished in politics now, while Trump might be back. AFAIK Trump's approval rating didn't drop as badly as Boris' did, and judging by the last US election, Trump didn't lose the last election as heavily as the Tories would have done if they'd not kicked Boris out:
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