Evidence of systemic racism, implicit bias, etc.

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Yes implicit bias evolves from birth, Babies naturally are wary of faces that don't look like their parents. However beyond a certain age it's a learned/conditioned behaviour. Parents reinforce. I've spoken about how I have observed parents in playgrounds (perhaps unconsciously) seeing a child they are uncomfortable with
insert - race
insert - behaviour
insert - physical handicap

They will automatically move their toddler OR intervene pretend to play with their child whereas in reality using their own body as a barrier between them and the other child. This is perhaps natural behaviour from a parent who are protecting their child.

This starts very young, The child learns from observation and this is how confirmation bias starts. As they get older they grow up in a sheltered environment and rely on stereotypes of people who are different which confirms their initial biases they grew up with.

Once the brain is primed to act in accordance to environmental/social cues then all differences from the social norm are treated with suspicion. As a young adult there is cognitive compromise, the individual adjusts their thoughts to what they perceive as "preferences". They prefer/prioritise their social connections based on their learning experiences. This is actually quite normal and we all do this to some extent.

But if they stormed the Capitol on Jan 6th do they got shot at the gates? You think a bunch of Black people doing Jan 6th would have resulted in any other way other than them being gunned down?

That is what I mean. White people have been storming state capitols and the Bundy ranch thing. You think Black people could get away with that crap?

A poor white trailer park resident can put a gun on his hip and walk into Taco Bell. If you were black - would you dare walk around with a legally allowed pistol? I wouldn't. Hell no. Where I live in Atlanta Georgia, an old white dude walked into the Atlanta airport and carried an AR-15 with a 100 round magazine. Completely legal (look it up, took pictures). Cops didn't do anything. You think a Muslim American would dare do that?

THAT is white privilege. And no, it is not "wealth privilege" which of course exists. OJ Simpson got off because of wealth.

What white privilege refers to is things that generally all white people can get away with - or are more likely to.

Why even bring up "hard cases?" Someone living in a trailer park is just not that common. For the bulk of white people, it definitely does apply. So yes, white privilege does exist, and it does apply to people in trailer parks in many situations, even if it hurts their feelings.

By the way, I lived in a trailer park for 3 years.

Here is white privilege, rural trailer park edition:

When the crack epidemic was going around in the 1980s, politicians were arguing for death penalties for crack. In fact, crack was punished harsher than cocaine for a long, long time.

Meth and opioids were common and rampant in the trailer park I lived in. When it comes to the opioid epidemic, no significant number of politicians are calling for death penalties despite crack being orders of magnitude safer than opioids in terms of overdose deaths.

Don't you kindof think that is white privilege, lower class edition? When whites get hooked on drugs its a medical problem, lets sue the manufacturers! When crack was at its peak, it was "kill them all!!"

Being profiled doesn't mean you are exempt. Of course you can be profiled! Ever go out in public with a daughter? Some will assume you are a kidnapper.

Its a red herring to wave off the whole thing by saying "poor whites can be profiled, ergo there is no privilege."

No one is saying they can't - what they are saying is that in certain situations - white people in general get more of a pass.

That same trailer park resident could have participated in Jan 6th or other state capitol stormings.

You think Black people would dare do that crap?

I said this in response to someone else, but where I live in Atlanta an old white dude walked into Atlanta airport with an AR-15 with a 100 round magazine - completely legal in Georgia.

You think an Arab American would do that? That is white privilege. It has nothing to do with economic situation. A trailer park resident can go buy that on credit and go walk into Atlanta airport with a weapon on their shoulder and not worry. A similarly poor Black American wouldn't even consider doing that because they know what would happen.

Where did I say there wasn't "white privilege"? I never denied the existence of "white privilege."

All I said is that "white privilege" isn't inevitable.

And that's what Tucker Carlson and members of the GOP are stoking fear about. It might be worth watching the Charlottesville riots several years ago and listen to the chants (Jews will not replace us). There is a clear intersection there with the GOP today and their obsession with the great replacement theory.

Ah, I guess that by the "slippery slope" you mean child development over time and parental influence? I don't doubt that the scenario you describe happens, and that parental xenophobia tends to reinforce or replace the child's original xenophobia, at least to the degree that the child internalises the parents' attitude towards the unfamiliar.

Perhaps luckily for me, my parental nest was somewhat dysfunctional on the emotional level, which made me rather a rebellious black sheep, so I've seen first-hand that a lot depends on the degree of internalisation, and I think even in the most close-knit families all the parents can hope for is to clone their social attitudes into their offspring, and that although racism tends to reproduce itself, it seems unlikely that it amplifies down the generations. I've heard that racism is stronger in older people in the UK, and I think there's some truth in that.

What interests me most are the questions (1) why anti-racism has failed to achieve as much as it hoped, and (2) what changes the activists might make to their methods in order to more successfully ease racial tensions. There doesn't seem to be much information about those matters on the web - most of what I see is activists doing more of the same and xenophobes pushing back the other way.

Oh I can give some easy answers to your questions. Systemic privilege benefits those who control society. While society is diverse (insert - multicultural, nuerodiverse, physical diversity etc) the straight white English speaking NT males (SWENT males) self-identify themselves the controllers. Despite the illusion of a level playing field, the SWENTs control social and economic hierarchies to ensure they retain power where it matters.

There is no illumunati or secret society, it's just the same people who ruled the world in the colonial era who now run countries across post-colonial transnational borders.

BLM demonstrators were not being massacred at the gate. The 1/6 rioters are not exactly getting away with it most are in or going to prison, unlike most BLM rioters.


I used trailer people being profiled to argue against the idea that no matter what because you are white you are automatically privileged.

If those same hypothetical trailer residents were not profiled IT IS NOT A PRIVILEGE, IT IS BEING TREATED FAIRLY.

Yep….It’s almost certain that 1/6 was partially an “inside job.” I’m surprised they didn’t look into this further.

In general, “minorities” have more disadvantages than white people in the US—but there are plenty of white people who don’t share the “glory” of being “privileged.”

The “white privilege” theory is too simplistic—like Marxism and trickle-down economics are too simplistic.

Note to admins: please do not tag for deletion or even to have me banned. The following is what I always heard about me, my family, and most of my relatives growing up in “Pennsylvania Dutch Country.”

Have you ever heard the term “white n!gger?” That perjorative has been used against me, my brothers, my parents, and some of my relatives while I was growing up. No matter how hard we studied or worked, we were white n!ggers, primarily because we grew up in a town that was considered to be “the sewer of York County.”

I may not be the brightest bulb out there, but that kind of discrimination is not called for. Unless you’ve done something to me that p!sued me off, I don’t even bother looking a race. In short, you leave me alone, and I’ll leave you alone.

What do you mean by inside job? Those who are not in denial know this was planned by Trump and all these people that stormed the capital were misled and were made to believe they had to do it or they were letting him down and their country. They were duped. I don't know if I should feel sorry for them or think they deserved it for being stupid in the first place when it had been obvious from the start but chose to keep their heads in the sand. I watched part of the trial and some of these people testified so that is how I know this.

Yes I know the term - it's in the song "Oliver's Army" (Elvis Costello), which I've performed myself a few times at the risk of objections from those who feel strongly that nobody should ever utter the N-word. Here it is, at the end of verse 2:

https://genius.com/Elvis-costello-olivers-army-lyrics

Here's a bit about the contoversy over the risky word:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tva ... yrics.html

The author seems to have redacted the song in 2022, though I don't know why. He's announced he won't perform it again and has asked radio stations to stop playing it.

Your post reminds me of the notion that anti-racism and feminism, while very important, are merely sub-categories of the more important ethic of egalitarianism. I've very strongly suspected for many years that a preoccupation with only one sub-category of egalitarianism is ultimately futile, and that if there's ever going to be any progress, we have to see the bigger picture and take all the sub-categories on board.

You mean anti-racism has made no progress because we haven't eliminated the ruling class? I wouldn't be surprised if it were so.

"Inside job" = It seems like elements of the Capitol Police were involved. How else would the rioters had such access to the Capitol?

If full security was in force, I doubt that the rioters would have gotten within 1 block of the Capitol.

It's pretty obvious that Trump was an instigator, and probably would have been a participant had he been allowed to go back to the Capitol.

And we probably never will. The only consolation is I would rather have that group ruling us than a conglomeration of authoritarian dictators from Russia-China-North Korea

Indeed. The adage about no country being more than x square meals away from revolution (where x is a small integer) looks hopeful on the surface of it, but history seems to show that the vacuum only gets filled by another set of sociopaths who are even worse, with the possible exception of Cuba, and even that's debatable.

Now that I've given up all hope, I feel much better.