The HORRIFIC Torture Of The Women Of The Battle Of Berlin

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In answer to who doesn't think Hitler was a monster: Kanye West?

And how long did this "one incident" last?

Are you aware that it has been estimated that 100,000 abortions and 250,000 deaths of German women resulted in the Soviet rape-fest?

I think this tragic history is something worthy of note.
Most ppl seem to be unaware of what happened.
I would have thought shining light on the facts of history a positive thing.
After all, that has happened with the Holocaust, and no decent person would begrudge the Jews for keeping that history alive.
Why is it wrong to educate people about the atrocities of the allied side during WWII?
I find your position on this quite odd.



"Let us agree to disagree" here.
I am more than comfortable with what I have presented.



I think you are confusing this thread with another of mine.
In this thread, I am pointing out that the Russian attitude of the hierarchy, towards rape in times of war, seems to be similar to what happened during the Soviet era of WWII.

I doubt any western power would turn a blind eye towards this type of behaviour in its own military in modern times.

I beg your pardon?
"Russia" IS the villain of the piece.
There is no doubt about that in my mind.
It is run by a mafia-style tyrant who thinks nothing of murdering his own ppl in false flag operations to fulfil his power lust of creating his legacy of "Making Russia great again".

So let us clarify the situation.
Are you saying you are on the side of pootin?

I am on top of the emotional trauma I have experienced as a result of what my parents went through during WWII.
I just needed some time to process it comprehensively.
This thread has helped enormously, and a large part of that is due to your empathetic support <hug>.

Hooah!

Well said.

This is not relevant to this thread, sorry.



It was not "a few soldiers" who were responsible for 100,000 abortions and 250,000 german women's deaths.
I think you need to research more.



"Interesting" choice of words.



One of the biggest tragedies of modern history was the Holocaust.
How is the Soviet Rape-Fest not worthy of mention?
I find some points of view "curious".

Plz don't misrepresent what I said.

I said: What DECENT person doesn't think Hitler was a monster?

Some ppl don't understand the obscenity of politics.
And some do.

Well, Hitler had to be defeated, but Ameriaa has been a very naughty "boy politically for a very long time as a result of WWII.

Some estimates are that Stalin killed as many as 20 million ppl.


https://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/04/worl ... talin.html



There have been claims that Hitler was simply acting pro-actively.
That he suspected Stalin had plans to invade Germany.
But who knows?

I was only trying to bring a little levity to the otherwise grim subject.

Now google how many times Poland has been invaded from West, East, North and South.
This "you don't know because you don't know what fear of invasion is" exceuse may work on Brits but it's null from Polish point of view.

When you fear an invasion, you build defense lines and seek for allies. When you fear an invasion and there is a middle country between you and the potential invader, you strenghten the middle country - not agree with the invader on partitioning it! Strenghtening the middle country is what Poland is doing about Ukraine right now, that's what Germans did in 1917, when they gave land and weapons to Poles so the 1920 war was fought by Poles not Germans... you get the idea?
Agreeing with your potential invader on partitioning the middle country is strenghtening the invader and making the invasion on you more likely! You give them power, you get weaker positions compared to what you could make on your own territorry and you waste the potential of the middle country for defending you while defending themselves.

Operation Barbarossa was a mistake of Hitler but without the preceding Ribbentrop-Molotov pact, with Poland still existing between the two and maybe even supplied by some allies (bitter laugh noises), it would have been harder, not easier for Germans to invade Soviet Union.

So no, don't buy this stupid exceuse of fear of invasion. We have a lot of experience with fear of invasion and with actually being invaded. None of it justifies "pre-emptive" invading, even from the practical point of view.

Was about time some got the thread back onto the subject title of this thread. Thank you …
Aspies sometimes see things as black or white , either on topic or off topic , And Was understanding the title
To be quite specific.

hmmm I would argue 99% of the posts have actually not touched on the torture of women in the battle of Berlin. And it wasn't just German women. A substantial number of female POWs including Russian and Polish women were also raped.

I guess magz might be correct, if the troops included large numbers of central Asians then to them all caucasian looking women were targets.

Poland and Russia were at war just two decades prior which Russia lost so logically strengthening Poland would have been the last thing Stalin would have done.

Logically taking Poland while they are weak from a German invasion while buying time to strengthen your own army looks the better option.

Not saying it was good or anything I’m not Slav anyway so have no dog in the fight.

Just logically I can understand those were the reasons which is probably why it was taken up as official historic viewpoint to be taught in schools.

...started by a Russian invasion.

I'm just pointing out how this "fear of invasion" exceuse is completely void - yet you're not the first Brit on WP to mention it. It's all BS, Russians were invaders, both in 1920 and in 1939 (Poland and Finland), and in 2022, and no possible fear of being invaded justifies it beyond sheer propaganda.

Bitterly said: Neither was Churchill when he pacted with Stalin.