Florida Governer to expand don’t say gay to ALL grades???

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22 Apr 2023, 7:28 pm

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DeSantis is hoping to cancel queer kids.
Forbidding people to talk about a "problem" does not make the "problem" go away.  DeSantis sees gender fluidity as a "problem".  He cannot make it go away, so he is trying to push it back into the closet.
Except he is enacting powers to sack teachers who say "gay"
Exactly.  He is enacting laws that make George Orwell's "Ministry of Truth" look like the town gossip.

By eliminating words (and the people who use them), you eliminate the concepts behind them.  If future Floridians have no concept of being gay, then future Floridians will never become gay, right?

Right?

:roll: No, I do not believe it either.


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22 Apr 2023, 7:39 pm

Florida also has a law where teachers can be charged with a felony if they have books in their classroom that aren't approved by a "certified librarian".

In other words, anything that doesn't adhere to the DeSantis agenda.


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22 Apr 2023, 8:19 pm

Illustrates Orwell's "newspeak" could be applied to the far left or the far right.

We know which side De Santis falls into.



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17 May 2023, 2:55 pm

DeSantis signs 'Don't Say Gay' expansion, gender-affirming care ban

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed four bills Wednesday restricting LGBTQ rights, including a measure that expands what critics have called the state’s “Don’t Say Gay” law and another that will ban transition-related care for minors.

He also signed a bill that will bar trans people from using the public facilities that align with their gender identities and another that will restrict “adult” performances in front of minors. He said the latter measure was intended to limit drag performances.

Last March, DeSantis signed the Parental Rights in Education bill, which prohibits “classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity” in kindergarten through third grade “or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.”

The new measure prohibits sexual orientation or gender identity instruction in prekindergarten through eighth grade, restricts reproductive health education in sixth through 12th grade, and requires that reproductive health instruction “be age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.” The bill applies to both public and charter schools.

Among its provisions, the bill requires schools to teach “that sex is determined by biology and reproductive function at birth; that biological males impregnate biological females by fertilizing the female egg with male sperm; that the female then gestates the offspring; and that these reproductive roles are binary, stable, and unchangeable.”

The bill bars schools from requiring students or employees to refer to each other with pronouns that do not align with their assigned sex at birth. It will also prohibit trans school employees from sharing their pronouns with students.

During a press conference Wednesday, DeSantis said the bill “makes sure that Florida students and teachers will never be forced to declare pronouns in school or be forced to use pronouns not based on biological sex.”

“We never did this through all of human history until like, what, two weeks ago?” DeSantis said of people using pronouns that are different than those associated with their assigned sex. “Now this is something, they’re having third graders declare pronouns. We’re not doing the pronoun Olympics in Florida. It’s not happening here.”

DeSantis also signed a bill that bans transition-related care for minors in the state, joining 18 other states where governors have signed similar legislation. The measure codifies restrictions on care in the state, which were initially passed by the Board of Medicine and Board of Osteopathic Medicine in March.

The bill DeSantis signed, effective immediately, will grant Florida temporary custody of children whose parents provide them with gender-affirming care. The measure would also bar the use of public funds to cover such care for anyone, including adults. Health care providers who violate the measure could face a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

DeSantis said the law will “outlaw the mutilation of minors,” though most major medical associations in the U.S. — including the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Psychological Association — oppose such restrictions.

You have actually some states in this country that want to be a haven for these types of procedures and even welcome minors without their parents consent and to some of their jurisdiction,” DeSantis said of the 10 states that have passed measures protecting trans health care. “We’re obviously doing the opposite here.”

DeSantis also signed a measure that prohibits establishments from having children at an “adult live performance.” Though the bill doesn’t specifically name drag performances, DeSantis said Wednesday the law is intended to restrict them.

“There’s these adult performances, these drag shows, sexually explicit,” he said. “What they’re doing is adult entertainment. People can do what they want with some of that, but to have minors there, I mean, you’ll have situations where you’ll have like an 8-year-old girl there, where you have these like really explicit shows, and that is just inappropriate.”

DeSantis noted that Florida’s has taken administrative action against against multiple venues and restaurants that have held drag performances with minors in attendance, “but the reality is we needed the legislature to come in and really clarify that if you are an establishment that’s having adult performances, you have an obligation to make sure that these young kids are not permitted in the premises, and we’re going to hold you accountable.”

Florida teachers have said they removed books from their classrooms and decided not to form LGBTQ clubs as a result of the first iteration of the so-called “Don’t Say Gay” law. One teacher, Jenna Barbee, said on social media Saturday that she is being investigated by her school and the state’s Education Department after showing her fifth grade students “Strange World,” a Disney animated movie featuring an openly gay character.


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17 May 2023, 5:19 pm

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“We never did this through all of human history until like, what, two weeks ago?” DeSantis said of people using pronouns that are different than those associated with their assigned sex. “Now this is something, they’re having third graders declare pronouns. We’re not doing the pronoun Olympics in Florida. It’s not happening here.”


What a moron.

Indigenous people acknowledged ~5 genders (IIRC) and had different pronouns to address people by than the gender binary.

All of this is just culture war nonsense to stir up hatred from one side of the political spectrum towards various marginalized groups for votes, power, and control over people instead of just shutting tfu, living & letting others live.


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17 May 2023, 5:31 pm

WTF Who is that dude?

Here we start teaching sex (naming body parts, safe touch, etc) in first grade, and it progresses rather quickly to gender identity, sexual orientation, child abuse, assault, DV, safe sex, oral and anal, contraception, STI, and anything else LGBTQ+, by eighth grade.


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17 May 2023, 8:52 pm

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Indigenous people acknowledged ~5 genders (IIRC) and had different pronouns to address people by than the gender binary.


Different cultures had differing understandings. It's inaccurate to paint all cultures in the Americas as having the same norms on this (or other) issues. At some point it starts to resemble the 'tipis and totem poles' genericized views of Amerind peoples.


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17 May 2023, 9:31 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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Indigenous people acknowledged ~5 genders (IIRC) and had different pronouns to address people by than the gender binary.


Different cultures had differing understandings. It's inaccurate to paint all cultures in the Americas as having the same norms on this (or other) issues. At some point it starts to resemble the 'tipis and totem poles' genericized views of Amerind peoples.

Ok.

But he's still dead wrong to say that throughout all of human history people haven't acknowledged anything other than the gender binary of male/female.


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17 May 2023, 9:34 pm

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Indigenous people acknowledged ~5 genders (IIRC) and had different pronouns to address people by than the gender binary.


Different cultures had differing understandings. It's inaccurate to paint all cultures in the Americas as having the same norms on this (or other) issues. At some point it starts to resemble the 'tipis and totem poles' genericized views of Amerind peoples.

Ok.

But he's still dead wrong to say that throughout all of human history people haven't acknowledged anything other than the gender binary of male/female.


Absolutely.

Jeez, there's examples of third gender within European societies.


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17 May 2023, 9:51 pm

If children are not taught the differences between consensual sex and sexual exploitation, then how will they know enough to recognize and report the groomers, pedophiles, and rapists around them?

Or is such recognition what the GOP actually wants to suppress?


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17 May 2023, 9:53 pm

I promise you that queer kids absolutely will still exist whether or not they know being queer is a thing. This s**t just traps them in a cycle of guilt and shame and loneliness with no one like them so far as they know.


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17 May 2023, 10:17 pm

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I promise you that queer kids absolutely will still exist whether or not they know being queer is a thing. This s**t just traps them in a cycle of guilt and shame and loneliness with no one like them so far as they know.

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22 May 2023, 4:29 pm

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Get the spelling right....supposed to be DeSatan



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22 May 2023, 4:31 pm

Fnord wrote:
Or is such recognition what the GOP actually wants to suppress?[/color]


Haven't you noticed how quiet they were/have been over inquiries into catholic pedophile priests? Rather odd given they seem to be insinuating the only pedophile rings are in the democrat party.



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22 May 2023, 7:58 pm

All this talk of banning books makes me think of section 28 in the UK.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2022/11/18/ ... -law-lgbt/

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More than three decades have passed since Thatcher’s government introduced the anti-LGBT+ legislation, but its shadow still looms over schools and local authorities in the UK today.

The legislation meant that councils were prohibited from funding books, plays, leaflets, films, or other materials showing same-sex relationships, while teachers weren’t allowed to teach about gay relationships in schools.


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Thatcher captured these venomous anti-gay views in her infamous speech at the 1987 Conservative Party conference, which was met with rapturous applause.

“Children who need to be taught to respect traditional moral values are being taught that they have an inalienable right to be gay,” she said. “All of those children are being cheated of a sound start in life. Yes, cheated.”


History sure likes to repeat itself.


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