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I honestly believe that the philosophy of the New Left is "reject economic stability, embrace positive action and be horny" as per Herbert Marcuse who literally said that the second phase of the revolution is fighting to freely express our sexual instincts which I do not see as a good thing because sexual liberation would lead to more cases of women getting raped.
That’s not true. Rape is still a big problem in conservative societies. Rape is often more about control and power than sex.
Yes. We must address the fact that major sex scandals also revolve around conservatives. Especially the Boston sex scandal involving a Church paying its predators to be silent on raping children. However, it seems that liberals are failing to oppose the Church and are basically copying the degeneracy that the Church is doing with their own Marcuseian theory of sexual liberation.
If I committed myself to "sexual liberation" I would have been jailed for sexual harassment pronto. Therefore, the New Left is not healthy and vital for the communist revolution.
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There's a clue in the name you seem to be missing - "pride".
Do they really want to express their fetishes and kinks?
How so?
It’s about pride. You might want to read up on this topic. It’s pretty darn dismissive to claim that it is “just pressure from the corporates and the elites.”
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I honestly believe that the philosophy of the New Left is "reject economic stability, embrace positive action and be horny" as per Herbert Marcuse who literally said that the second phase of the revolution is fighting to freely express our sexual instincts which I do not see as a good thing because sexual liberation would lead to more cases of women getting raped.
That’s not true. Rape is still a big problem in conservative societies. Rape is often more about control and power than sex.
If I committed myself to "sexual liberation" I would have been jailed for sexual harassment pronto.
How so?
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I honestly believe that the philosophy of the New Left is "reject economic stability, embrace positive action and be horny" as per Herbert Marcuse who literally said that the second phase of the revolution is fighting to freely express our sexual instincts which I do not see as a good thing because sexual liberation would lead to more cases of women getting raped.
That’s not true. Rape is still a big problem in conservative societies. Rape is often more about control and power than sex.
If I committed myself to "sexual liberation" I would have been jailed for sexual harassment pronto.
How so?
Because I do not want to accept the Marcuseian philosophy that we are sexual objects meant to just wander and commit sexual acts in the public. That just makes us no less of the machines. In Marcuse's eyes, we're seen as sexual machines instead of humans. Marcuse was basically the Sigmund Freud of leftism. He and Freud both have controversial and yet inaccurate statements on human nature. Sure, sex is a primal instinct but sexual liberation would basically bring us back to our primal state.
We are Homo Sapiens, the wise creatures. We have evolved from our primitiveness. We do not want sexual liberation for it brings us back to our primal state of our ancestors. We can do more to express ourselves than just be horny.
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Pride is when you're proud of who you are. Not what others determine for you. It's about YOU, not about THEM! You can be proudly gay, bisexual, trans, queer, but pride only comes when one accepts themselves for who they are, not what others think about them. That's what pride is supposed to be!
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- Josip Broz Tito (Ljubljana, 1948)
That still isn’t telling me why you would be jailed for sexual harassment. Most people don’t engage in it. Sexual liberation is not the problem. Sexual harassment and abuse have always been present in society although I think it’s better than it used to be. It’s nothing new and it’s not related to the overall topic in every way.
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Pride is when you're proud of who you are. Not what others determine for you. It's about YOU, not about THEM! You can be proudly gay, bisexual, trans, queer, but pride only comes when one accepts themselves for who they are, not what others think about them. That's what pride is supposed to be!
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It's just that the word "sexual liberation" sounds like a "Get Out of Jail for Free" card for sexual harassment. One has to understand the limit of how much can they be intimate with the other until it raises a red flag. Do you want to be intimate and sexual with someone? It must be consensual. A consensual intimacy is the answer you're looking for and Marcuse was ignoring the aspect of "consent" because he believed that it "oppresses the eros of a man".
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I'm interested if you can explain why companies even bother selling LGBT-related products. You see, pride month is pretty much being commercialized just like Valentine's Day, Halloween, Christmas, and other holidays and global events. Pretty much with the amount of people celebrating these famous events, the big rich cats will find ways to gain as much as money as possible using this opportunity to the fullest.
It is for a reason that capitalism is a mistake. You capitalize literally on any opportunity even if it can be considered inhumane because you are exploiting a minority!
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You still aren’t telling me why you would be jailed for sexual harassment.
Whatever it might sound like to you, sexual liberation does not imply that “anything goes.” Most people understand what consent is. Sexual abuse is not a bigger problem now than it was in the past. We are just more likely to talk about it which is good.
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Whatever it might sound like to you, sexual liberation does not imply that “anything goes.” Most people understand what consent is. Sexual abuse is not a bigger problem now than it was in the past. We are just more likely to talk about it which is good.
It's good to raise awareness about sexual harassment. Therefore, the eros of any human must be controlled. But Marcuseians do not like such a concept even though it is very rational in its sense. But since you didn't bother to read my answers to your question, then I will not bother even repeating myself anymore.
I remember having a fair share of controversies such as saying how self-identity can Balkanize a society if not done properly (referring to identity politics by reactionaries and liberals) and how it literally is related to the fall of Yugoslavia in 1991 for a reason that people are fighting this useless culture war just because someone is different than the other. You had the Serbs claiming to be liberals but instead turned out to be reactionary ultranationalists. Now you have these American liberals copying this technique from the Serbs mainly due to the propaganda from the Democrat party elite as well as social media influencers who stir hoaxes and disinformation on purpose as a means to profit from chaos.
So you see, polarization is what makes both conservatives (reactionaries) and liberals (self-proclaimed "leftist" reactionaries) equally bad and that a turning point must be done sooner, otherwise America will be Balkanized and genocides will occur on people simply because they have a petty disagreement.
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- Josip Broz Tito (Ljubljana, 1948)
Sure, it all has a superficial resemblance to professional terminology, but in the common vernacular, is bears a negative pressure coefficient at relativistic velocity.
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There's a clue in the name you seem to be missing - "pride".
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No wonder why I can't get friends due to my views. Then again, if they're gonna live in mainstream ignorance that is blissful for them, then let them be, they're sowing their own destruction anyway. Communism can work practically if we eliminate liberals and reactionaries.
Kinda off topic, but this is why I am hesitant to make friends, and why I am reflexively suspicious of people who do have friends. People will believe all kinds of nonsense if it will help them fit in. People will throw away just about any principle if it helps them keep "friends".
And yet they're the ones who lick the boots of the Democrat party, part of the capitalist two-party system. A necessary evil is to get rid of Trump but even then one way or another, America will sow its own Balkanization from the amount of polarization it got from the elites making people get angry at each other over petty differences. That's the same that was for Yugoslavia when Serbs made people get angry over ethnic differences and break down Yugoslavia within a decade after Tito died. Communism abolished in 1990 with the end of SKJ and nationalists winning elections and Yugoslavia collapsing in 1991 in a violent way with Serbs committing genocide and massacres from 1991 to 1999 and yet they wonder why NATO bombed them in 1995 and 1999.
Leftists had to basically settle for the Democrats given how politically impotent the actual Left is in the US. We haven't had a socialist candidate run for president since Eugene Debs over 100 years ago.
I am also unsure why you blame "elites" for making people dislike each other. I notice this often, where people act like "identity politics" is a product of the wealthy upper class. This is far from the case. Women, queeros, non-whites, and non-Christians had to fight tooth and nail from the grassroots up for the respect and acceptance they have today. The "elites" have sided with the left on cultural issues, because the elites are nothing if not obsessed with making themselves seem virtuous and educated.
I think your and others' tendency to blame "elites" for culture wars comes from the fact that many people only hear about these things from celebrities running their mouths on TV, media pundits looking for brownie points, and politicians looking to brown-nose their base. Ignore them. They are late to the party. They rarely even know what they are talking about, and often say things that are ignorant and harmful without realizing it.
Americans are not being ""divided"" the same way South Slavs were. South Slavs were encouraged to set aside their differences and embrace an identity that went beyond nationalist fixation on ethnicity. This was unity in the name of acceptance and internationalism. Americans have historically been pressured to discard their non-English culture, language, and identities so that we can all be obedient American nationalists. This was unity imposed through social-political pressure and the constant denigration of non-American, non-English-speaking peoples. Those who reject assimilation are branded radicals, anti-American, terrorists.
Americans are being "divided" (a word mainly used by capitalist-nationalists) in that they are increasingly speaking up about persistent inequality and injustice between advantaged groups and disadvantaged groups. When the American nationalist calls for "unity", he is saying, "Shut up about problems your community face! Capitalism says it's their fault! Maybe if you conformed more to Anglo-Saxon American norms, you wouldn't be so impoverished and persecuted!"
Relatively yes. Socialist Yugoslavia fares better than America in terms of equality because Yugoslavs (Bosnians, Croats, Serbs, Slovenes, Macedonians, Montenegrins) and Albanians didn't whine about others being different in terms of religion, culture, and nationality. This was only during the Tito period. The 1980s and 1990s were when the Serbs started to slowly tear down Yugoslavia by whining about how they were "oppressed" and how Croats and Muslims were the biggest threat to Yugoslavia. Thankfully Tito did the necessary in 1974 by adding to the constitution that the republics may secede so that the Serbs never bring Yugoslavia back to its royal dictatorship.
America and Yugoslavia are interesting to compare given their similarities and differences. To give you an idea, white American nationalists are reacting much like how Serbian nationalists reacted to the idea of losing their stranglehold on power. To them, the minority calling for rights and dignity is oppressing them. To them, anything less than domination over others is unacceptable. Unlike Yugoslavia, most minorities in America do not want to split the nation up into ethnostates. There are certainly small numbers of, for example, black separatists who want several southern states to secede so black Americans can have their own ethnostate. People have different ideas of what the country will look like when we finally tear down the USA as we know it, but very few people are advocating a post-Yugoslavia-like situation where whites get a country here, blacks get a country there, etc.
You didn't get the point. They're self-proclaimed leftists, not true leftists. They're puppets of the right-wing who want to disorganize the leftists by pretending to be allies of the leftists. As there were reactionaries and totalitarians in communism such as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and the Juche, there are now reactionaries in a more covert form which they proclaim themselves as "liberals" and claim to support the social issues but that's not the common cause they're talking about. They're talking about their own need to increase power just like the Serbs!
I do not think the liberals you are referring to are savvy or cunning enough to be doing what you suggest. Mainstream liberals are rarely socialist, but they are rarely closet nationalists who want to hijack leftist causes in the name of reaction. They don't put that much thought into political struggle. Many of the liberals you describe are so fixated on being polite and acceptable that they won't advocate anything too crazy nationalist.
Truly the definition of practical individualism. Individualism means that a small minority can self-manage but the rest are to suffer because they're not "successful" and therefore must be slaves to the victors.
Pay attention if you are ever watching a Republican politician talking to their base. When white conservatives fail economically, it's because they have been "left behind" or "let down by your leaders" or "forgotten by the system". Yet when other groups struggle economically, they need to "work harder" or "pull themselves up by their boot straps" or "not fall into a victim mindset". An excellent way to shut up this kind of capitalist is to point out that states that vote republican are almost all poorer on average than states filled with democrats. Maybe those capitalist patriots should work harder and stop blaming elites and immigrants? Wouldn't want to fall into that helpless victim mindset.
Ah. I was referring to private things such as fetishes and kinks. Pride parades organized by the capitalist class usually have public displays of fetishes and kinks as a means of demonizing LGBT and profiting from the culture war between the Democrats and Republicans in America. LGBT are not horny people. LGBT are normal people but liberals and reactionaries are making them uncomfortable. The current LGBT movement needs to get rid of its bad apples which are the liberals who are manipulating the movement with their own agenda so they can profit from the misery of that minority.
As I said before in this message, you need to not attribute the LGBT to the wealthy or elites or anyone besides common regular people. As I said, the elites have thrown their weight behind us queers because they can tell who is going to win, and because being tolerant of queers is a great way to seem educated and virtuous and open-minded. They are late to the party. Do not give them credit for the decades-long struggle of queers for respect and acceptance.
Plenty of us are horny. I'm not that horny, but I can understand and support someone at a pride parade loudly proclaiming their love of sex lol. This is not egotism or carnal lack of self-restraint. This is an extension of the Sexual Revolution that started in the 1960's. America's Puritan culture has caused us to be massively sexually repressed and ashamed as a country. People are flaunting their sexuality as part of the effort to erase the backwards Christianity-based hatred of all things sex. Those who advocate sexual repression and silence are much more detrimental to society than someone walking down the street talking about how much they love to suck d-cks.
It is a paradox which few Americans seem to notice.
America, the Land of the Free. However, to be free in America, you must conform. If you think that non-conformity is also freedom then you are anti-American and a sub-human and an illiterate peasant who must be exterminated. Pretty much for any imperialist regime that's how it works.
It's amusing watching American nationalist propaganda from the 50s and 60s talk like this. "You're an American! You're an individual--not some member of a collective! Now think and dress and talk and act like everyone else or else you're a dangerous radical!"
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