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27 May 2024, 3:29 am

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I wouldn't want to meet a militarised babybird on the battlefield. :lol:


:lol:

Yeah I'm like a machine


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27 May 2024, 3:30 am

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There's an option to volunteer for hospital, fire brigade, search-and-rescue, instead. But the whole plan is pretty vague.

Personally I don't like the idea of forcing innocent people to work for nothing, and I especially don't like the idea of forcing them to join the military. Even though it's cheap or free labour, apparently it'll still cost £2.5b. They say they'd pay for it by cracking down on tax evasion and diverting money away from a fund to compensate community organisations for what they've lost from leaving the EU.

But it's not going to happen. The Tories are finished.


I hope you're right man


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27 May 2024, 8:44 am

babybird wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
I wouldn't want to meet a militarised babybird on the battlefield. :lol:


:lol:

Yeah I'm like a machine


Right? Haha.



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27 May 2024, 11:44 am

I'm a soldier at heart


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27 May 2024, 11:51 am

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I'm a soldier at heart


I believe it. :salut:



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27 May 2024, 2:26 pm

One advantage would be it would concentrate minds on military action.

People and politicians are happy to send others to war and die. They would be less willing and more careful if it was their relatives that could potentially be in the firing line, which would be slightly more likely with this


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27 May 2024, 3:17 pm

Conscription doesn't usually affect the wealthy much, because they can simply pay the fines and they have better access to legal loopholes. They mean to inflict the idea on the young working class, in the hope of hanging onto the votes of a few old right-wingers who are defecting to Reform UK.



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27 May 2024, 3:29 pm

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They mean to inflict the idea on the young working class, in the hope of hanging onto the votes of a few old right-wingers who are defecting to Reform UK.


This is what it's all about. It's a tossed off idea that just appeals to Daily Mail and Express readers because they basically don't like young people with their Tik Toks and their gender neutral toilets. It's same attitude that leads them to conclude the reason young people can't afford houses is because they don't save money and spend it all on avocado toast and designer coffee. They think young people are spoilt and they want them to suffer a little because they think it will do them good.

Young people don't vote Conservative so they don't care about pitching policies that will be unpopular with young people. They're just trying to recover some of the votes they're losing to Reform.


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28 May 2024, 10:40 am

It's another attack on a section of society who don't have much of a say

It peeves me this it really does


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28 May 2024, 10:43 am

The Tories, suggesting that youngsters be forcibly made to 'volunteer'.

How about creating good jobs so people can live a nice life? What happened to that instead of forcing people to give up their free time for no pay?



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28 May 2024, 10:45 am

I can't imagine the armed forces being happy with such a policy


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28 May 2024, 10:48 am

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I can't imagine the armed forces being happy with such a policy


Me neither. Conscription is unpopular with professional soldiers.

It's just a stupid, silly policy, made by stupid, silly conservatives.



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28 May 2024, 11:14 am

Yeah thanks man

for the reassurance


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28 May 2024, 11:43 am

babybird wrote:
Yeah thanks man

for the reassurance


:lol:



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29 May 2024, 1:20 pm

It's a half-baked idea.

There are some European nations that have conscription. They can be divided into three categories:

- countries that border Russia, or are Russia
- countries that are, or until recently were, neutral, and therefore responsible for their own defence
- Greece and Cyprus (half of Cyprus is currently occupied by Turkiye)

The UK is not in such a precarious position. We would be better off building up our professional military.

I could go on criticising the various aspects of the scheme, but the most important detail is that the Tories are going to lose the election and nothing they say matters.



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29 May 2024, 1:43 pm

As ever, if you look at the (scant) detail of what the Conservatives are proposing, it's not quite what it seems.

When you hear National Service you think military, kids lined up doing drills getting shouted at by an angry sargeant. That's what Rishi wanted, to gee up the elderly who lap this stuff up.

But what they were actually proposing was something more like the Scandinavian approach which involves a small number of suitable kids doing military assistance, working in areas like IT security, learning real-world skills and getting paid for it. The rest would have to do some unpaid hours working on community projects and with charities like the RNLI.

It's not actually a bad idea, in itself.

But Rishi was never interested in the idea, he was just interested in the headlines.


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