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23 Aug 2024, 4:04 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM7xr2dB38A


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23 Aug 2024, 7:28 am

Is this AI?

Interesting topic, but I don't think an AI YouTube video covers it well.


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23 Aug 2024, 8:22 am

honeytoast wrote:
Is this AI?

Interesting topic, but I don't think an AI YouTube video covers it well.


The man who makes it does so with AI-speech text.


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23 Aug 2024, 8:56 am

Please provide a summary, a precis, of the video and what you'd like this topic to discuss.

It's unreasonable to post a 20 minute video with no comment and expect members to watch all of it and somehow work out your reason for posting it.


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23 Aug 2024, 9:05 am

Cornflake wrote:
Please provide a summary, a precis, of the video and what you'd like this topic to discuss.

It's unreasonable to post a 20 minute video with no comment and expect members to watch all of it and somehow work out your reason for posting it.


It has been long since. Back then people like started threads with videos only. Oh well. The point of this is that there is no such thing as "pure evil" and that no one is "evil" because we all have conditioned wounds from environmental and social damage inflicted onto us. Why people do bad things is not because they were born bad but rather the cruelty of society towards said people is what causes them to bad things and hence the mass unapologetic atrocities that come after as a result of irreversible damage done.

As we are punished for being different, one of us tends to rebel against the corrupt system but often in an atrocious manner that it not only allows for more dehumanization of us outcasts but results in a mass persecution of any, associated or related to that individual. For that, the word "evil" and "monster" are applied as a label to distance the darkness away but also hide away the insecurity that we all are prone to becoming atrocious if our needs are not fulfilled.

As one man said, a child not raised by a village will burn it down to feel its warmth.


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23 Aug 2024, 9:12 am

What does it mean?

Nazi Germany would not have existed if there was no Versailles Treaty. The Versailles Treaty resulted in growing nationalist sentiment in the weak Weimar democracy at the time and the economic crisis that was bound to follow resulted in the rise of the Nazis by 1930s and the unspeakable atrocities they would go on to commit in the name of their "master race" from their rise to power to 1945.

There would be no USSR if the Russian Empire wasn't oppressive to the peasants who have had it with the lack of morality with the insidious Tsarist family and the incapable Duma and there would be no Stalinist purges as a result. There would be no US imperialist conquest if 9/11 didn't happen and so there would be no genocide in Gaza if October 7th didn't happen.

But seeing how oppressive conditions are present and eternal but move around places, there will be bad that will turn to worse and become the new ultimate human evil we have not seen since the Holocaust. The only way to stop it is to stop the system from enabling it by dehumanizing such outcasts.


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23 Aug 2024, 9:15 am

I can go with one more.

There would be no Chetniks if there was no NDH and there would be no NDH if the Serbs didn't abuse the Yugoslav state. What can we learn is that evil is created in certain harsh conditions. No one is born bad, they become bad when they're not given adequate nurture and are instead punished wrongfully and pushed to the point of no return. It is the harsh community that is raising a monster instead of a human and not the person himself.

No atrocity is to be defended! No genocide should be defended! But the real victims are both the sufferers and those who cause suffering. Oppression breeds oppression.


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23 Aug 2024, 9:19 am

Excellent, thanks. :thumright:
Have at it...


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23 Aug 2024, 11:12 am

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
honeytoast wrote:
Is this AI?

Interesting topic, but I don't think an AI YouTube video covers it well.


The man who makes it does so with AI-speech text.


After skimming through his other videos, I believe his scripts for videos are also AI. There's no way he's putting in the effort to write a script every single day or record this naturally if he has been posting a video almost every day for a year. He's just asking ChatGPT what it thinks and edits it. :?


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24 Aug 2024, 5:55 am

I don't see absolute evil as being all that real. I think the nearest we can get to it is when everybody agrees they hate a certain kind of behaviour.



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24 Aug 2024, 11:27 pm

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
Nazi Germany would not have existed if there was no Versailles Treaty. The Versailles Treaty resulted in growing nationalist sentiment in the weak Weimar democracy at the time and the economic crisis that was bound to follow resulted in the rise of the Nazis by 1930s and the unspeakable atrocities they would go on to commit in the name of their "master race" from their rise to power to 1945.
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This is not quite correct. the German people were insular and easily manipulated from early christian era to nurture fairly strong anti-semitic beliefs about jews killing Christ etc.... Also the turn of the 20th century saw the rise of eugenics and the theosophist idea of the aryan superman which married nicely with German ethnonationalism where the pinnacle of human evolution trotted out was the German man. the treaty of Versaille provided a rallying point for the Nazis but the belief system that gave rise to Nazism was already well nurtured.



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24 Aug 2024, 11:33 pm

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
I can go with one more.

There would be no Chetniks if there was no NDH and there would be no NDH if the Serbs didn't abuse the Yugoslav state. What can we learn is that evil is created in certain harsh conditions. No one is born bad, they become bad when they're not given adequate nurture and are instead punished wrongfully and pushed to the point of no return. It is the harsh community that is raising a monster instead of a human and not the person himself.

No atrocity is to be defended! No genocide should be defended! But the real victims are both the sufferers and those who cause suffering. Oppression breeds oppression.


Let's be realistic. Not one Indo-European speaking people evolved peacefully, when the Indo-Europeans migrated from the steppe grasslands of Russia they expanded based on war, plunder and genocide. For the last 5000 years every European tribe has lived by power through might. Indeed constant warfare and conflict is the crucible that gave rise to empires in both Europe and east asia.



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24 Aug 2024, 11:36 pm

Never let an A.I.-generated YouTube video do your thinking for you.


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24 Aug 2024, 11:40 pm

Fnord wrote:
Never let an A.I.-generated YouTube video do your thinking for you.


Not long to go before an A.I. bot can think/write in a linear sequential fashion > most academics
the moment open science, no more firewalls for academic journals and open data becomes a thing, then we can say goodbye to 90% of jobs and let A.I. do our thinking for us.



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24 Aug 2024, 11:46 pm

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. . . we can say goodbye to 90% of jobs and let A.I. do our thinking for us.
This is what is meant by the "Singularity", iirc.


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25 Aug 2024, 12:27 am

Fnord wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
. . . we can say goodbye to 90% of jobs and let A.I. do our thinking for us.
This is what is meant by the "Singularity", iirc.


It's completely inevitable. Only question is not if but when.