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01 Sep 2007, 5:06 pm

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I have to agree with what Calandale wrote. I distinctly remember Alex saying that he was in favor of freedom of speech and of the members policing themselves.


And look what happened to the PPR forum! Do you want a flaming cesspit, or actual intellectual debate?

People posted in it, and there was debate, more so than usual. There just happened to be some flaming along aside it. Your speech was disproportionate, and you didnt actually have the authority to say what you said. All that was needed is a nice speech asking people to behave.


No, I actually did less than what was needed. Flagg had tried being nice before with his ceasefire request. Lasted a short while.


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01 Sep 2007, 5:30 pm

Quatermass wrote:
Hadron wrote:
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thyme wrote:
I have to agree with what Calandale wrote. I distinctly remember Alex saying that he was in favor of freedom of speech and of the members policing themselves.


And look what happened to the PPR forum! Do you want a flaming cesspit, or actual intellectual debate?

People posted in it, and there was debate, more so than usual. There just happened to be some flaming along aside it. Your speech was disproportionate, and you didnt actually have the authority to say what you said. All that was needed is a nice speech asking people to behave.


No, I actually did less than what was needed. Flagg had tried being nice before with his ceasefire request. Lasted a short while.

Flagg isnt a mod, so what he did was more or less irrelavent. All that was needed is a behave or there may be consequences post from a mod, and a few dodgy accounts banned.



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01 Sep 2007, 6:24 pm

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calandale: I wasn't accusing you of anything, I just mentioned that you were in the conversation on that topic, and it was about some people going from here to I2 and being sledged.


The reason people go there is to have the
freedom to disagree forcefully (to some
extent). So, getting 'sledged' is what we
all get there.

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Besides, you being a mod over there would probably keep everything ship shape.


There are NO MODS there.
And almost no rules to be
enforced.



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01 Sep 2007, 6:26 pm

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Starbuline should be a mod again. This place is full of so many trolls and flammers, someone sensible needs to sort it out. :?


It is not someone sensible that is needed, but rather, someone a tad more ruthless and with a 00 number.


Not according to Alex. Unless he's been
swayed away from the liberties which
he espoused. Really, these veiled threats
ought to stop.



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01 Sep 2007, 6:28 pm

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Not worth a response.


Which simply means that he CAN'T come up
with one which is in accordance with the site
owner's wishes. But, that's reasonable. Some
people can't seem to understand freedom at
all. Probably comes from being in a country which
was handed it, rather than having to fight for it.



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01 Sep 2007, 6:28 pm

calandale wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Starbuline should be a mod again. This place is full of so many trolls and flammers, someone sensible needs to sort it out. :?


It is not someone sensible that is needed, but rather, someone a tad more ruthless and with a 00 number.


Not according to Alex. Unless he's been
swayed away from the liberties which
he espoused. Really, these veiled threats
ought to stop.


So should you. Because you seem intent on pushing the envelope.


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01 Sep 2007, 6:32 pm

Quatermass wrote:
thyme wrote:
I have to agree with what Calandale wrote. I distinctly remember Alex saying that he was in favor of freedom of speech and of the members policing themselves.


And look what happened to the PPR forum! Do you want a flaming cesspit, or actual intellectual debate?



But, unless public warnings are now the norm (and
I don't dispute this might be best) the actions that you are conducting
are NOT within what is acceptable. My understanding is that flame wars
were to be cut apart, which pretty much kills them. It's
an ugly thing to do though, and should ONLY happen in the
very worst cases. No warnings - Ignorance and fear.



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01 Sep 2007, 6:33 pm

Quatermass wrote:
calandale wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Starbuline should be a mod again. This place is full of so many trolls and flammers, someone sensible needs to sort it out. :?


It is not someone sensible that is needed, but rather, someone a tad more ruthless and with a 00 number.


Not according to Alex. Unless he's been
swayed away from the liberties which
he espoused. Really, these veiled threats
ought to stop.


So should you. Because you seem intent on pushing the envelope.

Where as you have ripped it into shreds with that laying down the law post.



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01 Sep 2007, 6:35 pm

Quatermass wrote:
calandale wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Starbuline should be a mod again. This place is full of so many trolls and flammers, someone sensible needs to sort it out. :?


It is not someone sensible that is needed, but rather, someone a tad more ruthless and with a 00 number.


Not according to Alex. Unless he's been
swayed away from the liberties which
he espoused. Really, these veiled threats
ought to stop.


So should you. Because you seem intent on pushing the envelope.



For what? Calling the mods on what I did privately?

No, I'm sorry. This site is a COMMUNITY. You serve at
Alex's pleasure. You don't make the f*****g rules here,
as much as you try to impose your ideas of what is right
and wrong. And I'll fight against what I see as an attempt
to move against what his wishes are, whenever I see them.

IF he's changed his mind, he damned well ought to let the
membership know, and not leave his mods to attract all the
fire. But, given what I've seen in the past here, I'd rather guess
that this is yet another mere usurpation of power.



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01 Sep 2007, 6:40 pm

If you want freedom to be an idiot, go to Intensity. Otherwise, be civil and intelligent, I know you are capable of it.


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01 Sep 2007, 6:44 pm

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If you want freedom to be an idiot, go to Intensity. Otherwise, be civil and intelligent, I know you are capable of it.

How about you follow your own advice. Calandale has beaten you here, admit you made a mistake and move on...



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01 Sep 2007, 6:49 pm

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If you want freedom to be an idiot, go to Intensity. Otherwise, be civil and intelligent, I know you are capable of it.



I don't believe that I've been uncivil ONCE here.
Not in all my posts. I also STRONGLY doubt that
Alex is now in favor of squelching dissenting voices.

Hell, the reason that I left the staff here was because
I believe that I can serve his stated goals better from
the outside than I could when I felt that I had access to
privileged information. Too big a moral quandary. But
you'll have to pull out the banhammer to silence me, and
I suspect that you're a tiny bit too squeamish (and as I
remember to enamored with your little bit of power - a
sign that troubles me greatly) to use it in a situation where
you are so clearly in the wrong.



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01 Sep 2007, 9:40 pm

Alex never gave the mods power to ban anyone without his permission. The last time one of them decided to "knock a few heads together'' as he put it, Alex was mighty displeased. In fact the mod in question was forced to publicly apologize to the membership for doing what he did.



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01 Sep 2007, 11:15 pm

I think I should be a mod again. it's only obvious i'm the best mod here. same with calandale. 8)



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01 Sep 2007, 11:17 pm

What's the point of having a mod if they can't take action against posts that they deem offensive? Alex indeed has the final say but I can't see that Quatermass is doing anything wrong with stating his rules. He isn't threatening to ban people - just telling them to watch what they post.


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