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18 Apr 2025, 1:28 am

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Like, think of how the English language spread across Britian, including among most native British (replacing both Latin and Brittonic languages). The locals were dealing with a societal collapse, which made it easy for the arriving English to assimilate them into their much more intact society.


this is precisely illustrates what I am saying. there is no collective memory of how English arrived in Britain and took over. Yet it's the language we all speak.



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18 Apr 2025, 1:48 am

cyberdora wrote:
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Like, think of how the English language spread across Britian, including among most native British (replacing both Latin and Brittonic languages). The locals were dealing with a societal collapse, which made it easy for the arriving English to assimilate them into their much more intact society.


this is precisely illustrates what I am saying. there is no collective memory of how English arrived in Britain and took over. Yet it's the language we all speak.


Genetics makes it pretty clear it wasn't because of widescale population replacement. Most English don't have strong genetic connections with the pre-migration Anglo homeland which pretty much rules out population replacement. That strongly suggests it was due to cultural replacement instead.

It doesn't matter if there's collective memory or not when there's other evidence that can be relied upon.


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18 Apr 2025, 2:27 am

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That strongly suggests it was due to cultural replacement instead.

It doesn't matter if there's collective memory or not when there's other evidence that can be relied upon.


It does matter for people interested in history and how cultural replacement happened



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18 Apr 2025, 3:28 am

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That strongly suggests it was due to cultural replacement instead.

It doesn't matter if there's collective memory or not when there's other evidence that can be relied upon.


It does matter for people interested in history and how cultural replacement happened


Yes, of course having more information is better than having less information for understanding what happened, but for simply proving whether it was population replacement vs. assimilation, the genetics is enough to reasonably conclude that a group of people who continued to dominate the genetic pool weren't eliminated, given that you literally are sampling their descendants. Markers from the continent would dominate if more substantial population replacement had occurred.

Yes, it would be nice to know more about the how, but we can also rule out one possible answer to the how as well.


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18 Apr 2025, 3:30 am

Well the mens clothes at that time may also not have had good pockets, like for sure womens purses are partially due to on our pants we always get either very small pockets or false pockets, and so carrying a purse is nessisry. Makes sense if ancient greek guys were wearing a styled bed sheet as a toga, that they might need a purse to hold their valuables.

Sorry trying to sound like that cunk on earth lady but just saying ancient men's clothes may not have had great pockets either so maybe back then guys did need purses idk.


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18 Apr 2025, 4:19 am

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Well the mens clothes at that time may also not have had good pockets, like for sure womens purses are partially due to on our pants we always get either very small pockets or false pockets, and so carrying a purse is nessisry. Makes sense if ancient greek guys were wearing a styled bed sheet as a toga, that they might need a purse to hold their valuables.

Sorry trying to sound like that cunk on earth lady but just saying ancient men's clothes may not have had great pockets either so maybe back then guys did need purses idk.


I actually never thought about that



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18 Apr 2025, 4:22 am

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Yes, of course having more information is better than having less information for understanding what happened, but for simply proving whether it was population replacement vs. assimilation, the genetics is enough to reasonably conclude that a group of people who continued to dominate the genetic pool weren't eliminated, given that you literally are sampling their descendants. Markers from the continent would dominate if more substantial population replacement had occurred.

Yes, it would be nice to know more about the how, but we can also rule out one possible answer to the how as well.


the whole story of the origins of English is weird but that's a topic for another thread.



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18 Apr 2025, 4:40 am

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Well the mens clothes at that time may also not have had good pockets, like for sure womens purses are partially due to on our pants we always get either very small pockets or false pockets, and so carrying a purse is nessisry. Makes sense if ancient greek guys were wearing a styled bed sheet as a toga, that they might need a purse to hold their valuables.

Sorry trying to sound like that cunk on earth lady but just saying ancient men's clothes may not have had great pockets either so maybe back then guys did need purses idk.


You're 100% on to something.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handbag
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_purse

:nerdy:

Apparently pockets weren't a thing until the late 1600s. 8O


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18 Apr 2025, 7:23 am

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Serpents are universally associated with creation. Even in the bible the serpent was the keeper of knowledge and wisdom and associated with healing (the ancient Greeks symbol of serpents entwined around a staff is even today the universal symbol of medicine).

Australian aborigines are among the oldest people who continued their stone age way of life uninterrupted for 40,000 years. In many Aboriginal Dreamtime beliefs/myths the Pleiades constellation, also known as the Seven Sisters, represents the journey of seven sisters fleeing a man who was pursuing them. This story, told in various forms across different language groups, emphasizes themes of pursuit, escape, and the power of sisterhood. The sisters, who are often portrayed as ancestral beings or sky people, are said to have turned into stars to escape their pursuer and now reside in the sky, being chased by Orion.

Coincidentally in Hindu mythology, the Pleiades are known as Kṛttikā, a star cluster in the constellation Taurus. They are associated with the Saptamatrika (Seven Mothers). The Pleiades are also linked to the seven wives of the seven sages (rishis) and are often associated with the god of fire, Agni.

Very hard to see these as coincidences.


I agree! It's not just a coincidence. Seven is somehow special to us.

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Sorry trying to sound like that cunk on earth lady but just saying ancient men's clothes may not have had great pockets either so maybe back then guys did need purses idk.


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18 Apr 2025, 6:05 pm

the current biggest limitation is the accepted dating appears to be inaccurate. For example the Moai statues of Easter Island
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All the conventional theories assume the statue is 700 years old. this is clearly inaccurate. Geologists have estimated for the statue to be this far buried they have to have been built 10,000 years ago. Archaeologists have countered that some type of catacysm resulted in mud flow all over the island. the volume of mud required is not possible and secondly the coincidence that every statue across the island happens to be buried to the same level seems far fetched. Mud/landslides don't work that way.

Its humiliating prior to anyone digging that archaeologists simulated dragging the heads
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It seems they never bothered to check how big the statues actually were. to me there is a fixation with sticking to explainable theories. they never wanted to explain how a 200 tonne statue could be moved around when archaeologists couldn't barely move a 1 tonne stone with palm fronds and twine :roll:



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28 Apr 2025, 5:38 am

Incredible coincidence in ancient engineering design separated by thousands of km in different continents.



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28 Apr 2025, 6:45 am

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Cultures tend to be conservative though. or example Most of east Asia as once Hindu prior to Buddhism. Sharing ideas is on thing, but wholesale cultural change is something nobody can explain.


I think of Conservatism as being more about preserving the great institutions of your culture in order to protect your place within that culture. You are fully knowledgeable that if those great institutions are cast aside, then your status in your culture is at great risk.

Those who are dissatisfied with their culture are those who want to tear it down and replace it with something else. They are Radicals which are very different from Conservatives.

For example, Trump is not at all Conservative, but a Radical who wants to tear our society down in the belief that he can build a new society like he wants. That's a very foolish errand. If you tear down your culture, the odds are that it is not going to be rebuilt in the manner you wish.

Consequently, to a Conservative, the best approach is usually to make changes slowly with great consideration to ensure that you don't destroy what you need to preserve.

In other words, Conservatism is not about what platforms you support. Rather, if one is a Conservative, he supports things that will help preserve the institutions of his society. Supporting them does not make one a Conservative.



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28 Apr 2025, 7:11 pm

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they never wanted to explain how a 200 tonne statue could be moved around when archaeologists couldn't barely move a 1 tonne stone with palm fronds and twine :roll:


200 tons? When I did a web search this morning, the results said that the heaviest was something like 86 tons.



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29 Apr 2025, 3:25 am

kokopelli wrote:
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they never wanted to explain how a 200 tonne statue could be moved around when archaeologists couldn't barely move a 1 tonne stone with palm fronds and twine :roll:


200 tons? When I did a web search this morning, the results said that the heaviest was something like 86 tons.


The largest discovered moai, named “El Gigante,” is one that never made it out of Rano Raraku—it is 69 feet tall and is thought to weigh about 200 metric tons.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/hist ... day%201722.

The thing is pacific islanders are/were seafarers and Easter island was devoid of resources so could only have been used as a stopover between islands and/or South America. Like the way seafarers store water/dried food on small islands as supplies. Places like Easter Island or Nan Madol in Micronesia really should not exist as there is no physical way people who move around in dug out canoes strapped to lashings of wood should be building 200 tonne carvings or in Nan Madol which is 18 square km made up of 750,000 metric tonnes of carved stone piled one on top of the other to form buildings and forts.
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That means that to build Nan Madol, the people of Pohnpei moved an average of 1,850 tons per year over four centuries. Given that the island had a population of less than 30,000 people that means the method that they used to move the stones remains a mystery :roll: . “Not bad for people who had no pulleys, no levers and no metal
https://humanprogress.org/centers-of-pr ... nan-madol/



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29 Apr 2025, 11:48 am

So 200 tons, but they were unable to move it.

If it were aliens, why would 200 tons give any issues?



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29 Apr 2025, 5:21 pm

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So 200 tons, but they were unable to move it.

If it were aliens, why would 200 tons give any issues?


It's a fact, even with modern equipment it would be a struggle to build the Moai of Easter Island or the literal 750,000 tonne stone city in Nan Madol in Micronesia. I mentioned Nan madol because a visiting American engineer noted the archways over the doors utilise load bearing structures which (according to him) require knowledge of calculus to test its capacity to carry weight prior to construction (fact!). Calculus was supposed to have been invented in Europe in the 17th century. You find this knowledge must have also been known to the builders of the great pyramid of Egypt as well (strange archaeologists never ask geologists or engineers or metal workers to verify these things?).

the last time I checked pacific islanders and melansian seafarers didn't have engineers or giant cranes carried on their little boats made of coconut trees. Graham Hancock is correct, this is classified as "forbidden archaeology".