The Left Is Paying a High Price for Getting Men Wrong

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17 Apr 2025, 8:30 am

Alice Lassman is a researcher and policy expert on economic policy and societal dynamics, with experience at McKinsey, the United Nations, and the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, and work featured in major publications and media.
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Young men are navigating a cultural economy filled with contradictory doctrines, deepened by a crisis of connection that's drawing them down the manosphere funnel. The ideal of defining masculinity for yourself is framed as liberating, but ignores a central paradox: boys are expected to be both successful and emotionally available, while the paths to achieving either feel increasingly out of reach.

It's here that they're caught by a rising tide of misogyny. According to a recent report highlighted in the New York Times, it took less than nine minutes for TikTok to serve content to 16-year-old boys that blamed women for men's struggles. There is a yawning absence of a clear alternative, or at least one that can move fast enough to compete. Boys are turning to whatever makes sense of this contradiction: leaders who show that they too feel this emotional confusion, while showing visible pathways to improve the lives of boys and young men. They also need to see those leaders on platforms that matter to them.

Instead of this material reality, the left often talks about masculinity as a cultural or ideological construct. But for many working-class men, masculinity is tied to their everyday lives: how they earn respect, support families, or find purpose at work. Masculinity has long been structured around functions—provider, protector, builder—that still shape how many men understand their place in the world. As those roles have eroded, particularly in places where stable work has disappeared, the left has offered few alternatives that feel tangible or aspirational. Meanwhile, masculinity remains one of the only frameworks that confers dignity: so much so that it's being used to position a return to manual labor as more meaningful than upward mobility.

This disconnect often falls along class lines. Some of us are afforded the emotional and social freedom to distance ourselves from masculinity without fearing a loss of our identity or belonging. For men who have been raised to see work as a central part of who they are, performing the masculinity they were taught to admire is important to them, even if the labor market no longer supports it. Young men also want to know where they fit, growing up as the first digital natives where societal goalposts keep shifting. The task isn't to dismiss or idealize masculinity—but to take seriously the ways it still functions as a source of value to prevent its weaponization

Republican men are far more likely than democratic men to see themselves as highly masculine. What makes the left less likely to identify with masculinity is curious: perhaps they don't want to associate with it, seeing it as a cause of harm or dominance. Or the traits they do value—like reflection, care, or emotional openness—aren't culturally recognized as masculine.

This is where the left needs to lean into the discourse of masculinity. What would it look like to see a progressive use of the aspects of masculinity Gen Z find so appealing? Instead of using these norms to uphold patriarchal oppression, they can instead be rooted in shared purpose or narratives to defend those they love. Instead of asking men to be less, the left must invite young men to be more: more present in the fight for justice and in their communities.

Everyone is talking about boys and men. But if we keep speaking around them, not with them, the left risks further divergence. Masculinity isn't going away. The question is who will shape it, and to what end.

I have been reading articles like this for a decade now. What I have noticed is that the vast majority of these are written by women. I am not sure why that is.

Lack of male participation has ceded the ground to the Donald Trump's and the Andrew Tate's of this world. I am one of those who have sat in the background. While I have posted about the phenomenon, I have rarely opined about it. The obvious reason is that the topic is a minefield. The other one is that it is about males who have grown up in a very different era than me.

While in many ways I do not fit into the traditional male category, in many ways I do.

We have been preached to a lot about accepting different perspectives and different gender roles. That is fine, but what often is not accepted is that we are "wired" to be traditionally masculine every much as much as transgender women are "wired" to be women.

Our "wiring" is not accepted when, as is too often the case traditional masculinity is conflated with toxic masculinity.

When you get to be my age, the world can is often uncomfortable and disorienting. While I do not like it, I understand that this is something I should expect because it is normal. When the zoomers f**k up it will be the zoomers that will pay a price that is more than being uncomfortable, not me. But if you are 25 and feel that way, it is natural to believe your life is over before it began, making you more open to believing misogynistic explanations.

The author made a typical error of painting the entire left as having a misandrist world view. Most progressives I have known are not like that. When she does that, she does the work of MAGA strategists for them.

It is a shame that we have abdicated this topic to the "wokes" and the Tate's of this world.


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17 Apr 2025, 10:43 am

The articles are being written by women because men can't get away with saying it and are being socially conditioned to not realize just how screwed over we are by society. It's probably a similar reason to why women weren't speaking out in any significant numbers about their views on their place in society prior to the '60s and '70s in the US.

There's a lot of lies and propaganda being promoted as facts that misrepresent the historical reality and the present reality. On the whole, the men aren't doing very well and it turns up in a lot of different statistics that women and the powers that be don't seem to care about.



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17 Apr 2025, 6:39 pm

this has certainly become part of the cultural landscape in the western world
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-20/ ... /105066666

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real- ... 98decf4efd



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17 Apr 2025, 6:44 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
It is a shame that we have abdicated this topic to the "wokes" and the Tate's of this world.


We humans tend to think in binaries so we throw people into one camp or another. Naturally young men are drawn into manosphere if they are not made to feel welcome in "wokeland" and their brains are still developing and looking for easy answers.

Critical thinking doesn't apply when you are young, and judging by behaviour/decision making skills of the American public is strongly repressed at the cost of widespread dissonance. Millions know they are making a bad decision but go ahead and do it.



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17 Apr 2025, 7:54 pm

cyberdora wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
It is a shame that we have abdicated this topic to the "wokes" and the Tate's of this world.


We humans tend to think in binaries so we throw people into one camp or another. Naturally young men are drawn into manosphere if they are not made to feel welcome in "wokeland" and their brains are still developing and looking for easy answers.

Critical thinking doesn't apply when you are young, and judging by behaviour/decision making skills of the American public is strongly repressed at the cost of widespread dissonance. Millions know they are making a bad decision but go ahead and do it.

That's a lot of it. I also think that part of it is that by the time enough daylight shows between the possibilities, it can get rather risky to stick out by refusing to unconditionally bad both sides.



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17 Apr 2025, 8:19 pm

When you're critical of hierarchy, some people who benefit from the hierarchy will be unhappy it's being criticized.


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17 Apr 2025, 8:27 pm

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That's a lot of it. I also think that part of it is that by the time enough daylight shows between the possibilities, it can get rather risky to stick out by refusing to unconditionally bad both sides.


Tate has definitely hit a chord. Young men are going to get frustrated as they develop their sense of identity and can't comprehend or process they perceive they are blamed for things they don't believe they are responsible over plus feeling they are not valued and sexually frustrated as women ignore them.

No amount of education is going to change this level of dissonance and lack of fulfilling their biological needs. telling a 20 something year old man to "grow up" when they cant experience sex is only going to drive them to seek answers from Tate or the manosphere.



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17 Apr 2025, 8:41 pm

is health care, higher minimum wage, sick leave, housing, loans to small businesses and infrastructure not enough for men?

what else do they want, racism and sexism?



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17 Apr 2025, 8:52 pm

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Instead of this material reality, the left often talks about masculinity as a cultural or ideological construct. But for many working-class men, masculinity is tied to their everyday lives: how they earn respect, support families, or find purpose at work.

Why is it bad to call a thing from culture a cultural construct?


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17 Apr 2025, 9:21 pm

cyberdora wrote:
MatchboxVagabond wrote:
That's a lot of it. I also think that part of it is that by the time enough daylight shows between the possibilities, it can get rather risky to stick out by refusing to unconditionally bad both sides.


Tate has definitely hit a chord. Young men are going to get frustrated as they develop their sense of identity and can't comprehend or process they perceive they are blamed for things they don't believe they are responsible over plus feeling they are not valued and sexually frustrated as women ignore them.

No amount of education is going to change this level of dissonance and lack of fulfilling their biological needs. telling a 20 something year old man to "grow up" when they cant experience sex is only going to drive them to seek answers from Tate or the manosphere.

Tate is filling a void that the left has vacated. From the videos I've seen of him, he is a thoroughly disgusting individual, but since the left has largely abandoned young men and failed to provide a counter-narrative about how men can be themselves in a way that's constructive, you get people attracted to what is on offer. That's not to take responsibility away from these young men, the things that I've seen Tate bragging about are criminal in nature and definitely not the sort of thing that moral people would be doing.

I do think that there are people that are trying to fill the void in a more productive way, but at the moment it's mostly women because of just how effectively feminists have been able to tar masculinity as being toxic, as if masculinity, or femininity can be toxic. The traits that people go for as evidence of toxicity are mostly things that have nothing to do with masculinity and are just men doing immoral things.



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17 Apr 2025, 9:26 pm

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Tate is filling a void that the left has vacated.

I'm not convinced. All this stuff about "we men can't get anywhere because society is mean to us" sounds like exactly the same kind of self-victimisng that guys like him used to accuse feminists of doing.


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17 Apr 2025, 9:31 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
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Tate is filling a void that the left has vacated.

I'm not convinced. All this stuff about "we men can't get anywhere because society is mean to us" sounds like exactly the same kind of self-victimisng that guys like him used to accuse feminists of doing.

It's certainly exaggerated, but I don't think that people really realize just how stacked against men things have become. A growing chunk of young men are growing up without any male role models, being treated like broken girls at school and then if they do go to college, they're provided with little or no support compared with what the girls get.

As far as this goes, feminists absolutely deserve the blame here. They're the ones that have been perpetuating the myth of patriarchy and justifying boys and men being excluded from education because women and girls were and who continue to distract from just how badly the schools are failing boys. I'm not sure how boys are supposed to learn when the things that they need continue to get cut in order to provide more opportunities for girls.



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17 Apr 2025, 9:34 pm

Patriarchy is not a myth.

Feminism has and continues to make the world a better place for women.

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belief in and advocacy of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes expressed especially through organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/feminism


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17 Apr 2025, 9:35 pm

MatchboxVagabond wrote:
Tate is filling a void that the left has vacated. From the videos I've seen of him, he is a thoroughly disgusting individual, but since the left has largely abandoned young men and failed to provide a counter-narrative about how men can be themselves in a way that's constructive, you get people attracted to what is on offer. That's not to take responsibility away from these young men, the things that I've seen Tate bragging about are criminal in nature and definitely not the sort of thing that moral people would be doing.


All I know is he and other manosphere youtubers are drawing millions of young men and boys into their sphere of influence. As with trump, he's a symptom, not the cause, I am more interested in what is driving men this direction e,g, MGTOW.



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Patriarchy is not a myth.

Feminism has and continues to make the world a better place for women.

Feminism:
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belief in and advocacy of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes expressed especially through organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/feminism


You are preaching to the converted, its a different response when this message is directed at a young man who is unemployed, has no girlfriend and blames feminism for his situation.



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17 Apr 2025, 9:42 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
MatchboxVagabond wrote:
Tate is filling a void that the left has vacated.

I'm not convinced. All this stuff about "we men can't get anywhere because society is mean to us" sounds like exactly the same kind of self-victimisng that guys like him used to accuse feminists of doing.


Because they were projecting it on to feminists in the first place.

For some reason a lot of guys who fall for the manosphere stuff picture themselves as alphas and sigmas but demonstrate themselves to be the weakest wimps imaginable.


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