The Left Has to Speak to Average American Values — or Perish

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13 May 2025, 4:50 pm

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Trump has delivered good on economic and foreign policy and I continue to wish him success with that.


That is hilarious.
He's telling his billionaire friends just before he blatantly manipulates the market.
"Buy now... I'm about to pause tariffs again."
The USA is now just the biggest insider trading scam in history.
How are your grocery prices going?
I can see how your petroleum prices may fall after Trump floods the market and accelerates climate change, but at least half of America is screwed....and it's mostly the ones voting for him.
I'm just wondering if there will be any democratic structure remaining to prevent the permanent derailing of a free country into the northernmost South American tinpot dictatorship.

I would eventually expect a revolution except the people propping up the tyrant have all the guns.



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13 May 2025, 4:51 pm

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Which Obama or Biden scandal is on par with the scale of Trump's many scandals? :scratch:

Trump is the most corrupt president in US history, Obama wore a tan suit.


It's pretty irrelevant. The scale can be disputed, but every president had a very bad scandal.


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13 May 2025, 4:55 pm

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It's pretty irrelevant. The scale can be disputed, but every president had a very bad scandal.


Yup...'cos Clinton's cigar was just evil !



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13 May 2025, 4:56 pm

SailorsGuy12 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Which Obama or Biden scandal is on par with the scale of Trump's many scandals? :scratch:

Trump is the most corrupt president in US history, Obama wore a tan suit.


It's pretty irrelevant. The scale can be disputed, but every president had a very bad scandal.


Translation: You concede Trump's scandals are more significant than Obama's tan suit, but don't wish to admit so because it makes your attempt to play them off as equivalent look incredibly dishonest.


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13 May 2025, 5:31 pm

Musk and trump are merely the latest manifestation of robber barons who dominated the world's economies forming colonial cartels who emerged from explorer-military commercial enterprises being funded through venture capital. they are the new versions of Henry Ford and JP Morgan.

US values are clearly conservative/immovable/fixed. they revolve around puritanical religious fundamentalism married to rugged individualism and ethno-nationalism (the latter is a taboo topic, but America's greatness is strongly intertwined with ethnic identity) which permeate both red and blue in the US.

the cultural shift in both the church and society in the 1960s caused a temporary glitch in the matrix. trump is trying to move the compass needle and given he's been elected twice, his message is reaching the converted. the left have a difficult time ahead. America is not an easy place to win over with slogans of socialism and redistributing wealth. I think democrats will need to move to the right.



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13 May 2025, 6:11 pm

The key to the midterms and the 2028 general elections(assuming they don't resemble the Soviet elections of yore, which I am not confident about) is winning back the Trump is the lesser of two evils voters. It's going to take a lot of and aligning with people whom you strongly disagree with.

It is not fair, and it should not be this way. Do you want to take the country back from the authoritarians?


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16 May 2025, 3:13 pm

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And it's my opinion that "gay marriage" was pushed through because the far right refused to allow them the right of civil unions.


That was my perception at the time. The right was so focused on fighting with moderates who felt that civil unions being passed as legislation was the only appropriate way to achieve the goal that they got caught flat-footed by the more radical position being upheld, and suddenly both centrist liberals and the right had to repivot around the more radical position becoming reality.

Sadly moderate liberals still feel entitled to condescend to the left despite how poorly selling out 80% of the way before the discussion even starts has worked so far.

Ironically, though same-sex marriage may have seemed "more radical" to folks outside the LGBTQ+ community, the push for same-sex marriage came initially from the right wing of the gay rights movement: folks like Andrew Sullivan, Jonathan Ruach, the Log Cabin Republicans, and various "gay conservative" denizens of a group blog called the Independent Gay Forum. Their primary argument for same-sex marriage, as distinct from civil unions, was that marriage would make gays more respectable.

These folks were heavily into respectability politics, to a far greater degree than the LGBTQ+ rights movement as a whole. They tended to be against the very idea of gay men and lesbians uniting with trans people in a single political movement/alliance, and they tended to disapprove of drag queens marching in gay pride parades.

Eventually, other LBBTQ+ rights activists started advocating same-sex marriage too, simply because the idea turned out to be very popular among rank-and-file lesbians and gay men. Organizations were formed specifically to advocate for "Marriage Equality."

All of this happened during a time (late 1990's through 2010 or so) when I was paying a lot of attention to LGBTQ+ politics and marched in NYC's LGBTQ+ Pride parade almost every year.

Just sharing this as a historical oddity. I was, in general, not fond of the "gay conservatives," whom I regarded as sellouts on many other issues. But even a broken clock is correct twice a day, and may sometimes even be more correct than anyone else.


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16 May 2025, 3:30 pm

Interesting, thanks for that additional insight Mona.


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16 May 2025, 4:27 pm

I do remember being surprised when the gay rights movement united behind same sex marriage. As I recall originally they were against it because they believed it was accepting straight norms. Mona as part of the movement can correct me or add context if she so desires.


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16 May 2025, 5:53 pm

Still enjoyed Monas contribution, brought historical facts back into the Light making groundwork for and LGBT movements . Better memory than me ..!


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16 May 2025, 6:52 pm

I know a white gay couple that adopted a black girl. Six figure income.

What if the left allows rural farming towns to become ghost towns by letting the right cut programs like Medicaid?
What is going to happen is the hospitals surviving on Medicaid dollars will close. Towns will shut down if there is no hospital within a couple hundred miles of a town.

In New England there are rich communities like Nantucket, where you can be transported by helicopter off the island to proper medical facilities.



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16 May 2025, 7:30 pm

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Supporting hunting or hunters is something I've never felt comfortable with, and I wouldn't make it easy for people to hunt merely for trophies, by all means let them hunt for food.


Hunting deer only for trophies is banned in Texas and most likely the rest of the country.



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16 May 2025, 8:04 pm

From what I can find, it's perfectly legal in Indiana & Michigan for white tail deer.

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Hunting deer only for trophies is banned in Texas and most likely the rest of the country.



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16 May 2025, 8:26 pm

Deer hunting for trophies is also allowed in Vermont.
I remember being told that people would listen on their scanners for reports of deer being killed in auto accidents so they could take the deer home.



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16 May 2025, 8:33 pm

Blue_Star wrote:
From what I can find, it's perfectly legal in Indiana & Michigan for white tail deer.

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Hunting deer only for trophies is banned in Texas and most likely the rest of the country.


I meant that the deer cant be left in the field....you would have to take it out of the field and eat it or let somebody else eat it.....Hunting for trophies for deer only is just not done in Texas because the meat has to be eaten to. Trophy hunting cant be the only reason for the deer kill in Texas because it has to become meat...It is illegal to waste a deer in Texas.....Trophy hunting for deer is legal in Texas but it cant be the only reason for killing the deer because the meat cant go to waste.



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16 May 2025, 8:34 pm

Blue_Star wrote:
From what I can find, it's perfectly legal in Indiana & Michigan for white tail deer.

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
Hunting deer only for trophies is banned in Texas and most likely the rest of the country.

So its legal to leave the deer in the field in Indiana and Michigan and not have it prepared for food because thats a big no-no in Texas which is what I meant.