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11 Mar 2007, 8:00 am

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I'm really...late but Meh.
All I have to say is that in my part of England, it doesn't matter how it was meant, if it offended a non-white person or whatever terminology you wanna use - its racist. :roll:



you just HAD to bump this dumbass ignorant topic, huh? :evil:

Yep.



what's the point? no one here is interested enough in history to begin to try to comprehend the plight of black women in america.....not only the historic racism and sexism but also the subtle racism that still exists today in education and in many areas in the south(in the US).


/white boy from new orleans who lived in the ghetto for a year.

Oh yeh? Met every single person in America, have you? Anyway, I'm not American. Besides which, last time I checked, you're not a mod.


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11 Mar 2007, 8:34 am

sigholdaccountlost wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
sigholdaccountlost wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
sigholdaccountlost wrote:
I'm really...late but Meh.
All I have to say is that in my part of England, it doesn't matter how it was meant, if it offended a non-white person or whatever terminology you wanna use - its racist. :roll:



you just HAD to bump this dumbass ignorant topic, huh? :evil:

Yep.



what's the point? no one here is interested enough in history to begin to try to comprehend the plight of black women in america.....not only the historic racism and sexism but also the subtle racism that still exists today in education and in many areas in the south(in the US).


/white boy from new orleans who lived in the ghetto for a year.

Oh yeh? Met every single person in America, have you? Anyway, I'm not American. Besides which, last time I checked, you're not a mod.



i hung out with mods and skins in new orleans :P


yeah...i can't speak for everyone but the general impression i get from people is very important....mainly because it's not only the people i hang out with but the people i normally wouldn't hang out with but i choose to hang with to learn from them and get an insight into their views.



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11 Mar 2007, 11:26 am

skafather84 wrote:
sigholdaccountlost wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
sigholdaccountlost wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
sigholdaccountlost wrote:
I'm really...late but Meh.
All I have to say is that in my part of England, it doesn't matter how it was meant, if it offended a non-white person or whatever terminology you wanna use - its racist. :roll:



you just HAD to bump this dumbass ignorant topic, huh? :evil:

Yep.



what's the point? no one here is interested enough in history to begin to try to comprehend the plight of black women in america.....not only the historic racism and sexism but also the subtle racism that still exists today in education and in many areas in the south(in the US).

Mod as in moderator.

/white boy from new orleans who lived in the ghetto for a year.

Oh yeh? Met every single person in America, have you? Anyway, I'm not American. Besides which, last time I checked, you're not a mod.



i hung out with mods and skins in new orleans :P


yeah...i can't speak for everyone but the general impression i get from people is very important....mainly because it's not only the people i hang out with but the people i normally wouldn't hang out with but i choose to hang with to learn from them and get an insight into their views.


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11 Mar 2007, 3:33 pm

tallgirl, formal mathematics is from Athens, not Egypt - mathematics as a deductive, axiomatic science, as opposed to empirical formulae, came from the greeks (though they did get some empirical formulae from Egypt) but that isn't really the point of this discussion). I agree with you 100% though that if non-whites had had the techonology, they would have committed the same crimes. For example, the Spaniards in the Americas committed a genocide far exceeding the Holocaust in the numbers killed (though there were spaniards that tried to stop it), but the aztecs would've been no better if they had conquered europe (they forced spanish prisoners to drink molten gold, for example). likewise the arabs and the africans (both of which largely ran the african slave trade).

I find pathetic that many people on this forum believe that, if other people with a similar skin color committed horrible crimes, you are also somehow responsible even if you hadn't been born yet or otherwise had nothing to do with these events. if 99.99% of members of a given race committ horrible crimes, that doesn't make the rest of them responsible.

In the US, i met several very nice black people, but i also met others that seemed to hate anyone who was not black for not being black. I'm not saying black Americans aren't discriminated against, but some of them hold every single non-black responsible, rather than the actual perpetrators. While there are countries far more racist than the US, there is a particular American obsession that your skin color IS your identity (as opposed to your actions, beliefs, culture, etc). My point is that INDIVIDUALS committ actions - not 'whites' or 'blacks' or whatever - and it is individuals that should be held responsible, not their descendants, relatives or people who happen to have similar levels of pigment in their skin.


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11 Mar 2007, 9:30 pm

Exactly, this is why I don't like talking with the pc freaks on here. They just don't get it, it's like they think that if they kiss enough ass and let fanatical minority groups do whatever the hell they want, even at the expense of the majority, they'll make up for what their ANCESTORS did in history or something.



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11 Mar 2007, 9:58 pm

Everyone is discriminated against in some way or another. It's a sad sad fact of life.



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11 Mar 2007, 11:11 pm

There's not a ton of black people in Salt Lake City, but I did live in NY for a while. They were just like the white, asian, and everyone else - some were criminals, some had attitudes, and some were CEO's.

You know, I just saw the movie Crash this past weekend - and that was a pretty interesting commentary about modern race relations. There was one character in the movie - a black lady who worked for an insurance company - that was accused of having an attitude problem related to her race by this guy who was portrayed as a racist in other parts of the movie. The guy was really detetable, so you feel sorry for her when he referrs to her as "you people" (meaning, of course, blacks). In the very last scene, this black lady gets rear-ended by a chinese lady and goes into this racist rant against the chinese lady saying, "Don't talk nothin' to me, unless you talkin' American!! !". So yes, in the end, poor victimized Shaniqua (that's her name) is a racist herself.



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22 Mar 2007, 10:10 pm

The state of being a racist (which most humans are despite swearing to the contrary & the scientific fact that race is a social construct not a biologically based fact!) and disliking a particular individual because of the group to which you think he belongs and being in the position (empowered member of your society's dominant group) able to implement racism. Few Black people are in a position to refuse Whites housing, employment, mortgages, higher education, justice and civil rights etc.) White racists can perpetrate racism. Black racists can harm individual Whites (and those who do should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law). I am neither justifying nor excusing the race directed violence a Black inflicts on a White. I am a multiracial Black woman married to a White man. My step-daughter, whom I love dearly and raised from age 8, is White. My son is multiracial Black. If a White police officer shoots my son, a racist justice system will likely exonerate him. Just Google Amadou Diallo, Rodney King, Alain Gossette and see for yourself. A White person gets shot by a Black police officer, how differently do you think the justice system handles it? This is racism; not 'just' the violent hatred of a sick (or just evil)individual. All things are not equal until they are equal. What this Black woman wants is not to hassle White pizza delivery men (although many who've watched too many rap videos with half-naked skanky Black woman make stupit assumptions and harass me!). What i want is justice and a level playing field!



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09 Oct 2007, 3:13 pm

being a black man myself i believe that black people do have different attitudes than other races.



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10 Oct 2007, 5:19 am

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The state of being a racist (which most humans are despite swearing to the contrary & the scientific fact that race is a social construct not a biologically based fact!) and disliking a particular individual because of the group to which you think he belongs and being in the position (empowered member of your society's dominant group) able to implement racism. Few Black people are in a position to refuse Whites housing, employment, mortgages, higher education, justice and civil rights etc.) White racists can perpetrate racism. Black racists can harm individual Whites (and those who do should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law). I am neither justifying nor excusing the race directed violence a Black inflicts on a White. I am a multiracial Black woman married to a White man. My step-daughter, whom I love dearly and raised from age 8, is White. My son is multiracial Black. If a White police officer shoots my son, a racist justice system will likely exonerate him. Just Google Amadou Diallo, Rodney King, Alain Gossette and see for yourself. A White person gets shot by a Black police officer, how differently do you think the justice system handles it? This is racism; not 'just' the violent hatred of a sick (or just evil)individual. All things are not equal until they are equal. What this Black woman wants is not to hassle White pizza delivery men (although many who've watched too many rap videos with half-naked skanky Black woman make stupit assumptions and harass me!). What i want is justice and a level playing field!


Where do you live?


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10 Oct 2007, 5:35 am

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being a black man myself i believe that black people do have different attitudes than other races.


Thats racism. :) I'd like to make generalisations, but they're just not reliable enough. As far as I'm concerned, If I'm talking to someone thats black, it's just a random detail, no more relevant to the conversation than their height. If you talk to people like that, their attitude has a habit of disappearing quite quickly :)



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10 Oct 2007, 5:54 am

Of course differant races are differant front each other, you are lying to yourself otherwise.
Its only racism when you act on your belief that this is a bad thing.

With Black Women for instance, they are fiery and passionate, sort of the opposite to the Englishmans stiff uppper lip, such a contrast in cultures might well cause these conflicts.

I see two Black men looking to me like they are having an argument which will shortly lead to violence whereas in reality, they are a couple of friends having a chat, they just do it with a bit more passion than mubling Whitey.



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10 Oct 2007, 6:00 am

different "races " ?

There are no differences. People are people, as random and stupid as they get. It's psychology, not physiology.


And saying thast black women are more passionate? Isn't that just another generalisation, what about the real world where rules like that just don't work?



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10 Oct 2007, 6:16 am

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different "races " ?

There are no differences. People are people, as random and stupid as they get. It's psychology, not physiology.


Every human on the planet is too closely related to be that different.


So what are you doing on this board then if everybodies the same?

This board in itself is an ism, where paople who are differant from others congregate.

Of course the races are differant, this isnt a bad thing, it provides colour and interest to the human race in all aspects, music, food, etc.

What about all the differant breeds of dog eh?, they are all from the same stock, they can all interbreed, will you try and claim that they are all exactly the same? that a bassett can run as fast as a Whippet, that a Pit bull is as gentle as a Retriver?

Get real, variety is good,
Political Correctness is lies and can cause bad feelings and racism.



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10 Oct 2007, 8:06 am

As for where I live, that is hardly your concern. As to whether or not you think I'm special, I've lived all this time never once having worried about whether or not you like me. As for you hating everybody; knock yourself out! You have the right to sit around stewing in hatred. To me, hate is like taking poison & hoping the other person dies. You seems to be living with something much more onerous than Asperger's. I hope you seek the help you need before your obsession compels you to act in a way that gets you either arrested or carted off in a basket by men in white coats.



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10 Oct 2007, 8:11 am

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So what are you doing on this board then if everybodies the same?

This board in itself is an ism, where paople who are differant from others congregate.

Of course the races are differant, this isnt a bad thing, it provides colour and interest to the human race in all aspects, music, food, etc.

What about all the differant breeds of dog eh?, they are all from the same stock, they can all interbreed, will you try and claim that they are all exactly the same? that a bassett can run as fast as a Whippet, that a Pit bull is as gentle as a Retriver?

Get real, variety is good,
Political Correctness is lies and can cause bad feelings and racism.



Did you read my post at all? I said that there wasn't different races, not that everyone is the same.



Ok, in what way are the "races " so different? Are there other obvious differences that I'm missing that are attributed purely to the colour of a persons skin? Can black people run faster? Are white men gentler? Please, enlighten me.