Ah, yet more sanity from Hamas...
How so? Evil is subjective. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, as exibited here. You may not agree with it, as I do not agree with Naziism's ideas but I can't call it "evil".
If you don't think that Nazism is bad, then you don't know very well about it. You should inform yourself better about it (or better even, visit Ausschwitz or Dachau some day) and think about if you still would say that "evil is subjective" (how's that? If you do nothing to me and I terribly torture you and kill you or/and your family then you find it impossible to say who's the evil one? really?!) if you had lived here in Germany at the time of 1933 to 1945, though mind you, unfortunately you wouldn't have a chance to say what you think then, as the Nazis didn't think that an autistic's life was really that much worth living, you know...
Now, communism is a different thing, at least good in theory, but still, saying that an ideology is bad is not the same as saying that a whole people is bad (which, aside from being racist of course, implies that all people who for example are Jewish or Muslim or black or white and so on did and thought the same thing, which is obviously not the case).
Also, the comics and the like said all Nazis and all Communists were "evil"
in WWI "Hang the Hun" was a popular children's game.
Well, I can only care about what wrong things happen during the time I live. Probably also kids in ancient Rome learned bad things about the Gauls when Julius Caesar fought them. I'm not saying that only for the Arabs it's not ok to incite their children or that they were the only ones who did it, when any other country did/does it I find/would find it just as bad.
like drummer boys in the American Civil War?
Ok, let's say in un-free societies children are more likely to get abused for war.
And as far as "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" goes, I know lots of people say that, but I never could see much sense in that. Terrorism is by the most common definition the "violence against civilians (who are the deliberate target) to achieve political or ideological objectives by creating fear" all of which applies to suicide bombings by the Hamas for example, so you can tell me that you for you they are terrorists and freedom fighters at the same time (if they fought for freedom, that is, which they don't, they fight for destruction), but please call a spade a spade.
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ragtime, the US military does not fight LA gangs, the police does; the Israeli military does fight Hamas and similar groups. An armed conflict openly and directly involving the armed forces of a de facto government (Hamas) and the military of a sovereign state (Israel) is a war. It is not a total war, to be sure; neither is the war in Iraq, or the one in Afghanistan; these are limited wars. Just because Israel isn't using nukes on Gaza doesn't mean it's not a war.
The 'rules of engagement' are relevant to war crimes tribunals, but not to defining whether it is a war or not. Did the Romans never go to war? Their rule was 'leges silent inter armas,' the laws are silent in time of war, i.e. in ware verything is allowed. Did WWII stop being a war when Hitler ordered that all the people of Leningrad were to be all massacred, even if they surrendered, which is surely against all rules of engagement?
I agree with LPP; I think saying children abused as weapons of war are guilty is like saying that a raped child is promiscous. This does not negate your right to defend yourself from kamikaze children.
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I am the steppenwolf that never learned to dance. (Sedaka)
El hombre es una bestia famélica, envidiosa e insaciable. (Francisco Tario)
I'm male by the way (yes, I know my avatar is misleading).
So it is ok to send a young person off to war when they are 18 years old, but not when they are 17? What magically changes? At what point do the youth of this world change from sacred and worthy of protection to cannon fodder?? Child = life worth protecting, 'Adult' = life that can be spent on war.
Again, never the child is guilty, the abusing adult is, who forces or brainwashes the child into doing something bad which then for the child (at any case when he/she is older) often results in a feeling (only feeling, completely unjustifed!) of guilt and shame. That damage to the soul, that's what I mean with loss of innocence, not that the child is actually guilty.
But I can see now that what I wrote could lead to misunderstandings there, so I'm sorry for that, and I edited it out. It is just a thing which seems so natural to me.
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People with courage and character always seem sinister to the rest.
Hermann Hesse
So it's not anger, it's hate.
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When he launches some nukes at Israel?
EDIT: assuming Iran is building nuclear weapons, which it abandoned its weapons program in 2003.
So then, what nukes are you talking about?
I say again, any large-scale action Iran wishes to take against Israel is not going to be a problem for Israel.
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No, not really. Israeli soldiers who target specific mass-murdering terrorist leaders for assassination do so by authority of the sovereign state of Israel, and they are target only mass-murderers of multiple non-cambatant Jewish civilians, civilians which regularly and intentionally include women and children.
There is no equivocation between soldiers policing murderers hiding in those soldiers' own country, and those murderers using their own people's children as human shields, and even bomb carriers, into peaceful, civilian areas of Israel, with full intent to directly target vulnerable Israeli citizens.
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Christianity is different than Judaism only in people's minds -- not in the Bible.
The 'rules of engagement' are relevant to war crimes tribunals, but not to defining whether it is a war or not. Did the Romans never go to war? Their rule was 'leges silent inter armas,' the laws are silent in time of war, i.e. in ware verything is allowed. Did WWII stop being a war when Hitler ordered that all the people of Leningrad were to be all massacred, even if they surrendered, which is surely against all rules of engagement?
I agree with LPP; I think saying children abused as weapons of war are guilty is like saying that a raped child is promiscous. This does not negate your right to defend yourself from kamikaze children.
Do you want Hamas to bomb Israeli civilians?
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Christianity is different than Judaism only in people's minds -- not in the Bible.
I wrote,
There is nothing in my posts defending the bombing of Israeli civilians. Maybe you're imagining things? Or is this a sort of straw-man argument, that since I'm neither Jewish nor a Christian fundamentalist nor an unconditional supporter of Israel, I must be a Hamas supporter?
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I am the steppenwolf that never learned to dance. (Sedaka)
El hombre es una bestia famélica, envidiosa e insaciable. (Francisco Tario)
I'm male by the way (yes, I know my avatar is misleading).
So it's not anger, it's hate.
Yes , I despise "you are either with me or you're my enemy"-people ,including phoenix and you.
oh btw ,risingphoenix (I feel humiliated when I see someone like him picked an ancient Lebanese/Phoenician deity as nickname)...why you don't suggest to your Germany gov to offer a little piece of land to all Zionist jews as an alternative peaceful holy home? Weren't your ancestors responsible of the holocaust? Hypocrite nazist.
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