Top 17 Reasons Why Gay Marriage is Wrong

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I was joking, suggesting that nobody should impose gay people something as "horrible" as marriage.
Although I was kidding, most marriages really do suck =P

Look, man, I'm not in a big raving fit over YOU, and I really apologize for any impression that I may have given that I was.

Okay, let me explain: I'm really freaking out over these people who are going with the "crime against nature" theory on homosexuality. That mentality is just plain WRONG, and the results of it were horrible. They ARE horrible in those countries in which this mentality is still used for forming laws regarding homosexuality. People are being persecuted and hunted down like animals in some countries because of this mentality. I don't hold you to blame for that, SM.

My issue with you is something completely different. It's not even that big a deal. Some of my BEST FRIENDS have offended me at some point in our relationship, okay? As far as YOU are concerned, I'm just irked. You're under a completely different classification of negative emotion.

I know you don't MEAN to cause me to feel offended, and I know you're just going by what you believe in. I understand fully that you're not an advocate of restoring the sodomy laws. I understand fully that you don't advocate treating homosexuals the same as you would advocate treating, for example, pedophiles. I understand that fully.

Dude, I know you're not ignorant, and I know you're not crazy. You have made this clear. As long as you're neither willfully ignorant nor crazy as a fruitbat, you are AT LEAST on the PATH toward being alright with me. I see you as having the right BASIC intentions. I want to make this clear before we go any further on the gay marriage issue.

All the shouting and raving I've done on this thread is NOT directed at you, and it's not over the issue of gay marriage. It's just been me freaking out over the idea of the sodomy laws coming back or something else horrible like that. Maybe I'm just being paranoid or something. Between Parakeet going off on the Natural Law theory, though, and Zendell pulling up quotes from Leviticus and Acts, I just flipped out. I just completely flipped out. It wasn't directed at you. I really want to very much stress this.

We, me and you, have a disagreement on the gay marriage thing, but, hey, we can work it out. We can have compromises like, for example, civil union laws or something similar. I'm not fully happy with it, but that's part of what compromise is all about. I'm not even extremely worried about the gay marriage thing. Just don't even worry about it. We can work it out. Peace and compromise and all that stuff, you know?

Two different subjects. Two completely different subjects. One puts me in a state of paranoia, and the other just kinda gets me irked. The former is NOT something that can be worked out with compromise because I consider outright, baldfaced injustice as a perfectly valid premise for civil disobedience. The latter IS something that can be worked out with compromise, and I expect myself and other gays and lesbians to sort this gay marriage crap out through normal legal, social, and political channels.

You see, SM, YOUR position is something that I can handle myself rationally and maturely over. It's not something that has me waking up in cold sweats in the middle of the night. It's not something that I have traumatic nightmares over. The worst thing it's going to do is cause me to whine and be annoying, and you can bet your ass that I WILL complain about it.

Okay, then ... I think.

BTW the sodomy laws are like a restrictive curfew for gays, or is it more than that?

an offense you can be sent to jail for.


/heard a story of a jealous gay guy who called the cops on his gay crush while he was with another gay dude doing some gay stuff and the cops arrested him from within his own home. which is really gay.

You know, I've never been a fan of state-endorsed marriage. Normally I'd be against gay marriage (but also against straight marriage ) with the argument that it should be a purely spiritual institution. However, I feel as long as the state endorses straight marriage, it is required to endorse gay marriage.

Churches, being separate from the government, can ban gay marriage all they want, but the government does not serve any one faith, so they must respect all lifestyles (within legal boundaries, as previous posters have mentioned).

It was a felony offense in some states, a misdemeanor in others. The last of these laws weren't stricken down until 2003, when the Supreme Court invalidated them finally. It was ten years in my homestate of North Carolina. The worst I know of is Idaho, where it was five to life. These laws were not rendered ineffective until 2003, when Lawrence v. Texas completely invalidated them. Dude, these things were no joke, okay? They were evil. They were wrong.

I don't have any problem with gay marriage. Doesn't bother me.

I think people that ague against gay marriage etc, probably have homosextual tendencies and they are affraid to face up to them.

As gays and straights, here's one thing we definitely have in common: sexual jealousy. Not a good thing, not a positve, but nonetheless a reminder of our common humanity.

Always.

uhm.... I, for one, didn't even mention "crime' or "nature". 'sigh' right after my post... "You lost the battle..!" this and "You filth!" that. What did I do to diserve that? I didn't attack a single person in the thread at that point. I only mentioned what I heard in several church congregations. That's what they said to the attendies. Beleive that it happened or don't, it aint my problem.

Lienda, I think what freaked Griff out was that one of the early posters, iamnotaparakeet, did cite "natural law" - that is, he claimed that human sexual organs were "obviously" designed for one and only one form of mating, derived from that a claim that using them in any other fashion was "immoral", then treated both assumptions as axioms, not needing proof.

Problem with that is that natural laws are called that because they are part of nature, woven into the very fabric of the universe, and are thus inviolable. Gravity is universally attractive; this is a natural law. Nothing can go faster than light in an Einsteinian plenum; this is a natural law. When free hydrogen and free oxygen are placed in close proximity and left to themselves, they will combine to make water; this is a natural law. You can interfere with the functioning of some laws with the application of others (using Bernoulli's principle and thrust to temporarily overcome gravitation, for instance), but none of the laws need enforcement, because, as they are natural, you can't break them.

It becomes plain, then, that if a "law" can be violated, it is not a "natural law", but either a misunderstanding of nature or a law of men. Same-sex preference tends to be selected against evolutionarily, but some studies indicate that the genetic complex leading to male homosexuality is probably carried in the mother's genes, thus it may not be eliminated by evolution. (In some species, in fact, it can provide a benefit. Among wolves, for instance, only the pack alpha gets to mate while he's present, so when a female goes into heat, the lower males must relieve their stresses with each other. Bonobo chimpanzees use all manner of sexual relations for group-bonding - among them, strict heterosexuality would result in ejection from the troop, and a single bonobo won't last long. Male dolphins use same-sex contact as a dominance game - the one who assumes the position generally held by a female during mating has submitted to the authority of the other one.)

ahhh. Me see, my bad. *bows to deaconblues* I heareth thee, oh wise one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracles

One thing is wrong in list when it said greece and rome gay sex happend in greece and rome alot and their is nothing wrong with that. If gays want to get married well good for them I belive marrige in genral is unatural do animals have fedelity no they do has many has possible for the survival. that an state sponsore marriage isn't evil because i am an athiest and I don't want to get married in a church. That I thank deconblue for mention to hated evengelical radicals trying to take away our right and increase the intensity of our therorcacy. That and since hitler i am pretty sure its a little bit eaiser to get into heaven if their is a bar because getting into heaven is like limbo and hitler raised the bar so only people who did somthing really horrible is condemned to hell like george w bush will be.

Well, other animals are not the same as humans and they don't have the same psychological behaviors as humans do. Frankly, given the commonness of marriage within human society across cultures, the high costs per child that human beings have, and human possessiveness and other bonding issues, I would think that it is natural for human beings to marry. It is actually less natural for human beings to be strictly monogamous as most past societies had more polygamy, but the reason for the societal shift is thought to be based upon the relative equality of modern societies compared to past societies that had more harems and similar things.

Yeah, I doubt that Hitler really raised the bar that much. Vlad the Impaler was a ruler who would drink the blood of his foes, and who impaled so many people as to create an intimidating forest of impaled bodies that drove away his foes. Given the number of people who have practiced very terrible things throughout history, I don't think that Hitler really would have changed things. Really though, George Bush is not on the same level as Hitler and I think most rational people would agree if given the evidence.

17. Wrong. Anyone can tell that social norms change with each generation and all it takes is a look out your window to see that society is designed almost entirely around cars.

16. Right & wrong. Gay culture (acting camp, wearing purple, etc.) is just a fad that I have no interest in partaking in. However, I love my boyfriend and I am sexually attracted to him.

15. Wrong. First of all, this is very poorly written. I had to read it thrice to decipher the actual meaning behind it! Gay couples love each other just as much as straight couples do. I see no reason why gay couples who are capable of offering just as much love as straight couples are should be denied the right to adopt a child.

14. I fail to see how this relates to homosexual marriage in any way.

13. Wrong. My boyfriend's parents are atheists and they've been happily married for 19 years. I was once ashamed of being bisexual because god supposedly didn't want it but after being domestically abused for 13 years, it finally dawned on me that there probably is no god and even if there is, why should I obey a god who wants me to live a life of misery and repression?

12. Wrong again! The smartest kid in our school lives with 5 siblings and a single mother.

11. What? god (notice my deliberate use of a minor g when referring to god! Ha! Take that!) doesn't want me to be with the only person I've ever loved? Well, I say, f**k him and his dated religion. It really is sad that in this day and age, people still base their lives around a fictional book that's been around for thousands of years.

10. Absolutely WRONG, yet again! My parents were christians who said they would slit my throat if I "became a sinful fa***t."

9. Irrelevant. Homosexual parents who love their children and raise them to be responsible are better parents than straight ones who mercilessly beat their children day after day. The world needs more children?! In actuality, a population boom is the last thing the world needs.

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