Liberating Jesus from Christianity
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lZ-94pKGA2w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUtxsIRRaT0
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I respect Jesus as a great moral teacher the same way I respect Socrates, Buddha, and Lao-Tzi. They were all people, not gods or demi-gods, but they were very wise people.
"Liberate Jesus from Christianity" makes about as much sense as saying "Liberate Frodo from The Lord of the Rings" It's a narrative. Jesus is the main character in the story.
Or ... ... ... is it like saying liberate Sherlock Holmes and some other impressive characters from the ghastly film "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen"?
It is true that the character Jesus was taken directly from earlier stories , gnostic mysteries, and eastern spritual teachings. So perhaps it is a useful angle. I remember thinking this when I found out about the Heavenly Twin etc of gnostic teachings, on which the Jesus character is based.
Okay. It works. Just I don't think that's what the guy in the film is talking about. I get the impression that he thinks Jesus actually existed in flesh and blood in Galilee betwen 00 and 33AD.
A whole lot of people believed Jesus existed in the flesh between 0 and 33AD. It's not the nuttiest thing I've ever heard. I don't understand why anyone would want to deny His existence.
Matthew 16:14-17:
So, see, He said He was not just another "great moral teacher", as you put it,
or just another prophet like John the Baptist, Elijah, or Jeremiah.
No, he was God in the flesh.
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Matthew 16:14-17:
So, see, He said He was not just a "great moral teacher", as you put it,
or just a prophet like John the Baptist, Elijah, or Jeremiah.
No, he was God in the flesh.
because the bible is the absolute source for facts.
Matthew 16:14-17:
So, see, He said He was not just a "great moral teacher", as you put it,
or just a prophet like John the Baptist, Elijah, or Jeremiah.
No, he was God in the flesh.
because the bible is the absolute source for facts.
Among books written for mankind, yes, there is none with greater or more important facts.
It's why the printing press was invented,
and it's been the world's #1 bestseller since it was first published to the present age.
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Christianity is different than Judaism only in people's minds -- not in the Bible.
Last edited by Ragtime on 27 May 2008, 4:00 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Matthew 16:14-17:
So, see, He said He was not just a "great moral teacher", as you put it,
or just a prophet like John the Baptist, Elijah, or Jeremiah.
No, he was God in the flesh.
because the bible is the absolute source for facts.
Among books written for mankind, yes, there is none with greater or more important facts.
It's why the printing press was invented,
and it's been the world's #1 bestseller since it was first published to the present age.
i blame the gideons for the sales records.
and if it were unadulterated, maybe it'd be a little more legitimate as a source of information on the christian history but there's been massive amounts of editing done to the book just from the aramaic translation to greek and latin rather less the translations from there.
and let's not forget "gnostic" gospels that were burned because it was a sect of christianity that wasn't popular with constantine's crowd.
That's your argument ? That a whole lot of people believe(d) it?
You can't imagine why people might want to deny that Jesus ever existed? Those who knew it was a story , and would have thought it the opposite of useful for people on the spiritual path to think that Jesus was a historical figure.
The people who lived in the first century would probably have found it even odder/funnier that so many people would end up believing that what was a narrative spiritual teaching tool, a character in a story for reaching greater understanding and enlightenment , had really existed.
It is a belief which has condemned Christian leaders to some of the most tortuous intellectual acrobatics in order to explain all the discrepancies which do not matter if it is a story.
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Matthew 16:14-17:
So, see, He said He was not just a "great moral teacher", as you put it,
or just a prophet like John the Baptist, Elijah, or Jeremiah.
No, he was God in the flesh.
because the bible is the absolute source for facts.
Among books written for mankind, yes, there is none with greater or more important facts.
It's why the printing press was invented,
and it's been the world's #1 bestseller since it was first published to the present age.
i blame the gideons for the sales records.
and if it were unadulterated, maybe it'd be a little more legitimate as a source of information on the christian history but there's been massive amounts of editing done to the book just from the aramaic translation to greek and latin rather less the translations from there.
and let's not forget "gnostic" gospels that were burned because it was a sect of christianity that wasn't popular with constantine's crowd.
Well, that's a seperate discussion, but all you're trying to do (at best) is to cast doubt, and say that we Christians
might not have what God wants us to be reading -- even though the Bible's 66 books are fully consistent throughout.
Do you know any other 66 books in human history by many authors that all perfectly agree?
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Christianity is different than Judaism only in people's minds -- not in the Bible.
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Sorry... You started me thinking of evolution again.
I forgot that evo is "SCIENTIFIC FACT!!11!!One1!1!", despite the complete lack of evidence for it.
But back to the subject of this thread...
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Christianity is different than Judaism only in people's minds -- not in the Bible.