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01 Sep 2008, 6:39 pm

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Oh, so that is where your avatar comes from.
I was wondering :P

Never saw it, just saw a trailer, I had the idea that it was related to time travel somehow.


Had you not seen Sam Neill's work before?



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01 Sep 2008, 6:39 pm

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The Fly is very good sci-fi/horror. And the story is compelling.


That is interesting. In that a person became mutated because of a transporter.

In Event Horizon, a crew becomes mutilated by the warp drive... strange.


They aren't so much mutilated by the mysterious effects of the gravity drive as they are driven to insanity by it. And there is a strong suggestion that by going wherever Event Horizon goes by way of her gravity drive, she comes back as a sentiently evil lifeform intent on murder and mayhem.

The intriguing suggestion here is that FTL travel is possible, but it's just not survivable by humans.



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01 Sep 2008, 6:49 pm

FTL isn't physically possible, but as you approach the speed of light distance shortens and your relative passage through time slows. If you went at around 99.99999% c, you could go to a star 9 lightyears away and back in about 6 hours your time, but when you return 18 years would have passed on Earth.



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01 Sep 2008, 6:55 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Oh, so that is where your avatar comes from.
I was wondering :P

Never saw it, just saw a trailer, I had the idea that it was related to time travel somehow.


Had you not seen Sam Neill's work before?

Yes, I have seen him on three movies and on bbc space documentary.


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01 Sep 2008, 6:56 pm

As Dr. Weir explains, the Event Horizon actually circumvents the light-barrier as it achieves FTL speeds. Technicaly, it travels by way of interdimensional travel. Did anyone catch the technical jargon of how gravity drive is supposed to work? I'd be interested.



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01 Sep 2008, 6:57 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Oh, so that is where your avatar comes from.
I was wondering :P

Never saw it, just saw a trailer, I had the idea that it was related to time travel somehow.


Had you not seen Sam Neill's work before?

Yes, I have seen him on three movies and on bbc space documentary.


Cool.



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01 Sep 2008, 6:59 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
FTL isn't physically possible, but as you approach the speed of light distance shortens and your relative passage through time slows. If you went at around 99.99999% c, you could go to a star 9 lightyears away and back in about 6 hours your time, but when you return 18 years would have passed on Earth.

I would like to travel like that, to go 400 years to the future, although there is a huge risk to take, I could find humanity destroyed, by themselves, instead of finding progress.


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01 Sep 2008, 7:02 pm

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As Dr. Weir explains, the Event Horizon actually circumvents the light-barrier as it achieves FTL speeds. Technicaly, it travels by way of interdimensional travel. Did anyone catch the technical jargon of how gravity drive is supposed to work? I'd be interested.


It was supposed to puncture space-time to travel through hyperspace.



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01 Sep 2008, 7:04 pm

Cool. But the power-requirements for that would be nearly infinite, right? I'm asking you because I'm the non-scientist in this discussion.



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01 Sep 2008, 7:21 pm

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Cool. But the power-requirements for that would be nearly infinite, right? I'm asking you because I'm the non-scientist in this discussion.


Power demands would probably be high, but infinite isn't accurate.


But, if there were a way to make a black hole inside a space craft,
then I sure wouldn't want to be on it. The tidal forces alone would be lethal.

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01 Sep 2008, 7:24 pm

Maybe the movie just assumes we won't question the physics of how Event Horizon works. It certainly had enough verisimilitude for me. Not being a physics expert, I didn't question the gravity drive. But I wonder of there's any legitimate science to it ...



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01 Sep 2008, 7:55 pm

Well, I think the goal was a partially believable ghost-ship in space.


Anyway, an inconsistency is also the Latin phrase:

Liberate is plural and tutemet is singular.

What they could have done was either: "Libera tutemet..." or "Liberate vosmet".
I need to review what Latin I've learned and continue the textbook I paused, but
I am fairly certain of this. Tutemet, and vosmet, are real words in Latin, unlike
what IMDB said, but they may be a genitive formation rather than being reflexive.



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02 Sep 2008, 4:23 pm

I’m still confused as to why they used chaos and evil as if they were one and the same.

Chaos - Emptiness

Evil - Negative moral or ethical judgment

Evil chaos - Coming home to find you refrigerator emptied of all your goodies that you were looking forward to eating.


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02 Sep 2008, 4:30 pm

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I’m still confused as to why they used chaos and evil as if they were one and the same.

Chaos - Emptiness

Evil - Negative moral or ethical judgment

Evil chaos - Coming home to find you refrigerator emptied of all your goodies that you were looking forward to eating.


The script writer was probably under budgeted, like Dennis Nedry.



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02 Sep 2008, 4:42 pm

Lumina wrote:
I’m still confused as to why they used chaos and evil as if they were one and the same.

Chaos - Emptiness

Evil - Negative moral or ethical judgment



Chaos is not the same as emptiness. Chaos is complexity, where the multiple types of order that control are not readily apparent. People tend to be afraid of chaos, because by definition, the structure or order is occult (ie, 'hidden from sight', unpredictable, and mysterious).



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02 Sep 2008, 4:44 pm

monty wrote:
Lumina wrote:
I’m still confused as to why they used chaos and evil as if they were one and the same.

Chaos - Emptiness

Evil - Negative moral or ethical judgment



Chaos is not the same as emptiness. Chaos is complexity, where the multiple types of order that control are not readily apparent. People tend to be afraid of chaos, because by definition, the structure or order is occult (ie, hidden from sight, unpredictable, and mysterious).


Turbulence and weather patterns are examples of mathematical chaos.