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15 Dec 2008, 1:26 pm

A person's unconscious attitudes toward science and God may be fundamentally opposed, researchers report, depending on how religion and science are used to answer "ultimate" questions such as how the universe began or the origin of life.
What's more, those views can be manipulated, the researchers found. After using science or God to explain such important questions, most people display a preference for one and a neutral or even negative attitude toward the other. This effect appears to be independent of a person's religious background or views, says University of Illinois psychology professor Jesse Preston, who led the research.

The study appears in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology.

Preston and her colleague, Nicholas Epley, of the University of Chicago, wanted to explore how information about science influences a belief in God, and how religious teaching can also cause people to doubt certain scientific theories.

"As far as I know, no one has looked experimentally at an opposition between belief in science and religion," Preston said.

"It seemed to me that both science and religion as systems were very good at explaining a lot, accounting for a lot of the information that we have in our environment," she said. "But if they are both ultimate explanations, at some point they have to conflict with each another because they can't possibly both explain everything."

The researchers conducted two experiments designed to manipulate how well science or God can be used as explanations. In the first, 129 volunteers read short summaries of the Big Bang theory and the "Primordial Soup Hypothesis," a scientific theory of the origin of life.

Half then read a statement that said that the theories were strong and supported by the data. The other half read that the theories "raised more questions than they answered."

In the second experiment, which involved 27 undergraduate students, half of the study subjects had to "list six things that you think God can explain." The others were asked to "list six things that you think can explain or influence God."

All the subjects were then required to quickly categorize various words as positive or negative on a computer.

"What they didn't realize was that they were being subliminally primed immediately before each word," Preston said. "So right before the word 'awful' came up on the screen, for example, there was a 15-millisecond flash of either 'God' or 'science' or a control word."

A 15-millisecond visual cue is too brief to register in the conscious mind, but the brief word flash did have an effect. Those who had read statements emphasizing the explanatory power of science prior to the test were able to categorize positive words appearing just after the word, "science," more quickly than those who had read statements critical of the scientific theories.

Those who were asked to use God as an ultimate explanation for various phenomena displayed a more positive association with God and a much more negative association with science than those directed to list other things that can explain God, the researchers found.

Similarly, those who read the statement suggesting that the scientific theories were weak were extremely slow to identify negative words that appeared after they were primed with the word "God," Preston said.

"It was like they didn't want to say no to God," she said.

"What is really intriguing is that the larger effect happens on the opposite belief," she said. "When God isn't being used to explain much, people have a positive attitude toward science. But when God is being used to account for many events – especially the things that they list, which are life, the universe, free will, these big questions – then somehow science loses its value."

"On the other hand, people may have a generally positive view of science until it fails to explain the important questions. Then belief in God may be boosted to fill in the gap," she said.

The most obvious implication of the research is that "to be compatible, science and religion need to stick to their own territories, their own explanatory space," Preston said. "However, religion and science have never been able to do that, so to me this suggests that the debate is going to go on. It's never going to be settled."

Source: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

http://www.physorg.com/news148565439.html


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15 Dec 2008, 2:14 pm

Both exist because both are needed. If there weren't a need for religion, it simply wouldn't exist. And in Taliban-like societies, there's no need for science because theological authority is absolute.



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15 Dec 2008, 2:52 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Both exist because both are needed. If there weren't a need for religion, it simply wouldn't exist. And in Taliban-like societies, there's no need for science because theological authority is absolute.



and you fall neatly into the results of the study.


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15 Dec 2008, 2:54 pm

skafather84 wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Both exist because both are needed. If there weren't a need for religion, it simply wouldn't exist. And in Taliban-like societies, there's no need for science because theological authority is absolute.



and you fall neatly into the results of the study.


How?



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15 Dec 2008, 3:15 pm

slowmutant wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Both exist because both are needed. If there weren't a need for religion, it simply wouldn't exist. And in Taliban-like societies, there's no need for science because theological authority is absolute.



and you fall neatly into the results of the study.


How?


the same way i do.


/behavior patterns fit
//god isn't needed beyond one's dependence on that aspect


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15 Dec 2008, 3:38 pm

I see.



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16 Dec 2008, 3:53 am

I would never say that humans need religion, but I definitely would say that many humans need external authority and dogma for rather pathetic reasons.

I also would never say that science and gods are in opposition to each other because the scientific method requires testable claims, but I definitely would say that (reliance on rational thinking and evidence-based conclusion) and gods are in opposition to each other.



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17 Dec 2008, 3:10 pm

being born in america all we are taught is god is right, we dont have any classes in things that matter like logic. god does fulfill the needs of those who have an ego which almost everyone does. heaven is a beautiful thought until you bring logic into the picture. logic does have a lot of positives though, no foolish depression and only appreciating the real beautys of the world, the things that if there was really a god he would want us to appreciate. logic even takes away your fear of death



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17 Dec 2008, 3:15 pm

Potsic wrote:
logic even takes away your fear of death



why fear the inevitable? i mean even if you are afraid and do have questions about it...it's coming no matter what so why waste time with it?


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17 Dec 2008, 9:23 pm

God or science? God is science.

This is one absolutist proposition I find tasteless and unnecessary. Why should I have to abandon either one when clearly they are both needed?



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17 Dec 2008, 9:30 pm

Potsic wrote:
being born in america all we are taught is god is right, we dont have any classes in things that matter like logic. god does fulfill the needs of those who have an ego which almost everyone does. heaven is a beautiful thought until you bring logic into the picture. logic does have a lot of positives though, no foolish depression and only appreciating the real beautys of the world, the things that if there was really a god he would want us to appreciate. logic even takes away your fear of death


Humans are not purely logical. Logic by itself is not enough, unless you are a machine. Don't bother trying to shoehorn the whole of human experience into the confines of logic.

Logic takes away the fear of death only in an abstract philosophical way. But the fear of death itself is part of the survival instinct, which is indelible. Behaviours and physiological responses attributable to the racial memory of our species are not going anywhere.



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19 Dec 2008, 3:42 am

slowmutant wrote:
God or science? God is science.

This is one absolutist proposition I find tasteless and unnecessary. Why should I have to abandon either one when clearly they are both needed?

Clearly needed? Neither are needed at all.



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19 Dec 2008, 8:57 am

slowmutant wrote:
Logic by itself is not enough, unless you are a machine.


You don't think we are biological machines then?



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19 Dec 2008, 10:17 am

Letum wrote:
[quote="slowmutant"Logic by itself is not enough, unless you are a machine.


You don't think we are biological machines then?[/quote]

I would not say that we are biological machines and nothing else. What aout the complexities of the human psyche? The emotions? Thoughts, memories, imagination?



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19 Dec 2008, 1:17 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Letum wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Logic by itself is not enough, unless you are a machine.


You don't think we are biological machines then?


I would not say that we are biological machines and nothing else. What aout the complexities of the human psyche? The emotions? Thoughts, memories, imagination?


I didn't say we where not complex. ;)



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20 Dec 2008, 5:03 am

@ org/mech-issue: Is it even relevant?

On a detailed scale, even irrational behavior can be logically explained - but on a conscious level, logic alone doesn't give a damn. I apologise for my failure to compose coherent arguments, but here's an example: There is no logical argument for eating, unless one already has a goal like survival.


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