I am a Jew but i am not Zionist

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I maybe a jew but i am not Zionist for these 3 reasons
1. The land we took for Israel is Palestine, this was a muslim state, because we took the land from them, Zionism is actually causing more Antisemitsm, before the advent of Zionism, Jews and Muslims were living in peace and Muslims protected us in these occasions - During the time of the Crusades many muslims in power tried to protect us Jews in the Holy land (Now
Palestine) From the Crusaders atrocities against us.
In 1492 after the Spanish reconquest of the last Muslim Kingdom of Granada, The Spanish Inquisition
ordered the expulsion of all jews from Spain, When This News reached The Muslim Ottoman sultan Beyazid II, Heordered a fleet to save Jews and Muslims from spain and immigrat them to the Ottoman Empire. The sultan is said to have exclaimed thus at the Spanish monarch's lack of wisdom: "Ye call Ferdinand a wise king he who makes his land poor and ours rich!"

Also During the Time when Spain was muslim, Jews, Christian and Muslims lived in piece under the tolerant Muslim Leaders. Thios Ideology was called La Convivencia. before Zionism, it was natural for Muslim rulers to Jewish subjects to which this consideration did not apply, we have lost this trust because of Zionism, Many muslims who sound anti Semitic are not anti semitic, they are Anti Zionist, Anti Zionism is not anti-Semitism. In Iran, the Ideology of Convivencia lives today, Iran has one of the Largest communities in the Middle east, many Iranian Jews prefer to stay in Iran rather than living in the Illegimate state of Israel, Jews actually prosper in Iran, The Iranian Parliment even has a Jewish representative of the Jewish Community. the Iranian president Ahmednajad is not Anti Semitic, he is only anti Zionst. Jews also have Privelages what muslims do not have. Jews are allowed to produce there own alcohol and have mixed sex dances. taking land of what belongs to them is a really poor way to repay them for there protection of jews from persecution.

2. years After the holocaust, the pope made a pilgramige to aushwitz, this was an effort to bring christians and jews together after the persecution of the jews by christans (not al christians were oppressive) lead to the holocaust. many of the Jewish Holocust victims were devout christians, Hiter and the Nazis were very anti christian and anti-semitic. Christian were not like how they were in the past (Particularly during medieval times), now they are more reformed and place support to jews. the Nazi Antisemitism is now impotent, so why are we taking land from someone else, this is actually us asking for more antisemitism.

In conclusion, if we were to disband israel and return the land to Palestine, anti semitism would not really be a big issue any more, so Jews can live peacfully with muslims and christians like how it was in Muslim spain.

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Shalom,

I personally believe that anyone has the right to reside in any territory they please as long as they live in harmony with the existing populace, don't displace them, or deny them any rights. I won't have any beef with Israel if the knesset allows the Palestinian refugees to return, and remove any pro-Jewish laws such as the right to return. They can also maintain an ethnically balanced form of government, by taking inspiration from the political scenario in Bosnia & Herzegovina.

Also, there are many anti-Zionist Jews as you might know, like Neturei Karta.

The antisemitism which has resulted from the establishment of Israel is unfortunate, but unavoidable.

Peace.

Of all the places to pick to create a new country and instigate aggressive immigration and land buying, the Middle East was perhaps the worst place.
Now that it is done, it can't be undone and to that extent I am not anti-Zionist. The dispersion of Israel is neither practical nor fair.

As for the policies of the Israeli government: they have learnt nothing from their own action, nor from the history of other nations.

Shalom Achi. Do you speak any Hebrew?

I'm afraid it's not that simple. I used to be an anti-Zionist until I read about the history of Antisemitism. I don't know so much about Jews in Muslim land as I do about them in Europe. Living in Dhimmitude was an acceptable situation for minorities in pre modern times, but I'm not so sure there weren't any expulsions or pogroms, I haven't read enough to sift through the BS. By the twentieth century though, the Jews were running into big problems in the Arab world.

The point of Zionism isn't to run an aparthied state on stolen land (and yes, this is the current situation,) the point is to give Jews control of their own destiny. They had to cleanse land and keep their boots on arab heads to do this. It's not moral, but the world hasn't been moral to them. If I were a Jew I'd tell the world to go f**k itself.

Antisemitism in modern times is different to pre modern antisemitism. The latter was religious, the former was political and racial. Showing some balls was is the only solution that could have worked. The Holocaust happened in one of the world's most modern countries. Antisemitism isn't the preserve of backwards countries, it's a problem in Modernity itself.

The Jews don't deserve a state, they made one. With Blood and Iron. If you think Israel will ever disband, or the jews will simply up and leave to live among the goyim, you're dead wrong.

Yes the Palestinians are getting a s**t deal, but they're just the Jews of today. That's the way the world works

Like the spanish inquisition gave the catholics a bad name, and the Taliban gave the Muslims a bad name, Zionism is doing the same effect by giving us Jews a bad name. i would prefer to live in peace under Muslim or Christian rule and face some restrictions (e.g. pay a special Tax) than to take Palestine from the Palestinians