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12 Feb 2009, 10:56 am

It would be quite a different world if India and China made all the decisions. Can you imagine the whole world under Chinese Communism? Or the Hindu caste system?

It would be a horror beyond all imagining.

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12 Feb 2009, 10:58 am

Majory Rule =/= Justice (obvious?)

Majority Rule = Majority Rule (universal)

Justice = Justice (irreducible & universal)

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12 Feb 2009, 11:00 am

I can know what justice is the same way I know what a cute baby looks like or why a sunset is beautiful.

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12 Feb 2009, 7:35 pm

slowmutant wrote:

I can know what justice is the same way I know what a cute baby looks like or why a sunset is beautiful.

In other words, it is a matter of opinion.

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12 Feb 2009, 8:36 pm

ruveyn wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

I can know what justice is the same way I know what a cute baby looks like or why a sunset is beautiful.

In other words, it is a matter of opinion.

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Instinct is the word I would use.

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12 Feb 2009, 8:40 pm

Well, if it is instinct, then justice is a matter of genetics. If it is that, then why isn't it arbitrary? After all, then people's view of justice would just be a matter of their breeding. Are the damned merely ill-bred?

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12 Feb 2009, 8:42 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

Do you consider yourself ill-bred?

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12 Feb 2009, 8:58 pm

To NobelCynic, JoJerome, & Orwell,

I know we can’t agree that objective justice (as I’ve described it) can be shown to exist. I assume you will agree that it cannot be shown not to exist? If so, can we then agree that almost the whole human race assumes that objective justice exists? – and that this assumption is necessary to the functioning of societies?

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12 Feb 2009, 9:15 pm

Where does our notion of justice come from? I'm talking about what we've codified and put into the law books. Does it come from the same place as music and art?

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12 Feb 2009, 10:47 pm

Rules are made to keep stupid people in line.

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12 Feb 2009, 10:51 pm

But the world is full of stupid people.

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12 Feb 2009, 10:54 pm

That is why there are so many rules.

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12 Feb 2009, 10:55 pm

As well there should be.

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12 Feb 2009, 11:25 pm

Magnus wrote:

Rules are made to keep stupid people in line.

Rules are meant to keep everyone in line, but some people like to the rules don't apply to them. Some people think they're too rich for rules, too smart, too beautiful.

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12 Feb 2009, 11:31 pm

Some people lack common sense and don't mind hurting people to get ahead.
Those are the people who need rules. Morality is really subjective. If a person truly worked on himself/herself to try to achieve their ideals, other people should not have the right to place judgments and rules to restrict this person's development. As it is unfortunately, the so called stupid people follow rules and are not guided by their own moral compass.

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13 Feb 2009, 12:35 am

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If a person truly worked on himself/herself to try to achieve their ideals, other people should not have the right to place judgments and rules to restrict this person's development.

What kind of personal development? And why would other place judgements and rules on this personal development if it weren't immoral or illegal or antisocial in some way?

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