None dare call it Genocide.
Have you noticed how our Fearless Leader, Lord Obama has been dancing around what to call what the Ottoman Turks did to the Armenians back in 1916? He simply will not use the G word. Apparently he considers diplomatic relations with the current Turkish government more important than truth or facts.
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ruveyn
They tried to take part of Turkey, they got killed, same goes for the Kurds.
It was part of a British plan to break up the Turkish Empire, which lead to World War One.
The discovery of oil was the reason for it all. Blood for Oil, same as Iraq.
Lets discuss European Genocide in the Americas.
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ruveyn
Yeah, Ive heard endless whining for years about the Armenian Genocide perpetrated by the Ottoman Turks....
The Armenians(and punk Greeks)certainly had their little revenge when they occupied land in eastern Turkey shortly after WWI as did the greeks occupy the NW part of Turkey.
The Young Turks had just overthrown the sultan and were consolidating power. The Young Turks promised the Armenians equality along with the other minorities in the new Turkey. The Russians fought against the Young Turks because the Russians did not want to be part of the new Turkey. The Muslim Young Turks massacred the Armenians because they feared the Armenians would would change their minds, and fight on the side of Russian enemy, because they were both Christian groups. (In other words, this was political genocide fueled by the paranoia of Turkey's new leaders, not religious genocide).
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ruveyn
Obviously, there was geneocide - around the time of WWI. Should Obama be more concerned with current economic and political issues, or with convincing the Turks to change their interpretation of historical events that occurred nearly a century ago, by the Ottoman Empire (which is not the same as the Turkish Government)?
Additionally, you should look at actual data about how America regards politicians - Obama has a favorable rating above 60%, while the Democrats in Congress are much, much higher than the Repbulicans. And perennially, people express disgust at Congress, while they are very supportive of their own Senators and Representatives.
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ruveyn
ah yes, Obama should create an international debacle just to be poltically correct, because its not like he is trying to reverse the massive amounts of hatred caused by Our King George W. It maybe be hard but try to follow me on this one, creating unneeded problems for the sake of politcal correctness is bad.
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ruveyn
Well, NO ONE, including Obama, will hold the Kremlin accountable to the genocide and mass rape that taking place in the North Caucasus against Chechens and the Ingush.....
How many turks that took part in the genocide are alive today?
good question. horrors have a shelf-life. they stop being horrible after a certain ammount of time. we ex-vikings know this. all the horrors our ancestors dished out to other people, we're all allowed to chuckle heartily at, by now :]
lets just wait. in about 800 years from now, we will all laugh together, at the horrors of the past century.
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Turkey is a key US ally, why would Obama want to pick on old wounds? While we are at it, you could easily criticise the US foreign policy.
Turkey is a mixture, mostly it has religious freedom. There are Jews, Muslim, Christians, etc. It is quite secular. Even in it early history its interpretation of Islam was quite relaxed, they didn’t require that their soldiers adhere to halaal practices even if they were Muslim, and would encourage feasting after battles. Even nowadays they have no problem eating shellfish, oysters are quite popular.
Where it is stuck in the past is with its generals. Whist there is secular government, the generals still command a lot of power. The main problem is nationalism not religious problems.
But what is new about this.
Is it any wonder that Americans hold politicians in lower esteem than they do drug dealers, lawyers and used car salesmen?
ruveyn
Not to mention that it happened outside of 99% of the world populations. Seriously, why give a s**t?
And yes, diplomatic relations with the Turkish government are more important than trivial articles of history - tbh I would be more concerned with the here and now implications of cooling relations with the Turks, which do actually have an impact on peoples lives in both countries and wider.
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