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19 May 2009, 5:17 pm

Wrong.

If a man murders you, he did something wrong. If he's caught, he will be sentenced to death or put behind bars for life. Is that not another wrong? Or do people like being killed and locked away to rot? If the world's entire justice system is built on this concept then it's obvious that two wrongs make a right.

A little musing I had there...what do you think?



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19 May 2009, 5:41 pm

The fact that our justice system is based on the concept of "two wrongs make a right" doesn't make it so. It just means our justice system sucks.


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19 May 2009, 5:54 pm

Well it wouldn't be right to let them back into society where they could kill again.


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19 May 2009, 5:56 pm

The real problem is that when it comes to wrong there is no making it right, what's done is done, and more to the point, murderers/criminals(Especially repeat offenders) are the ones who suck, if not for them there would be no need for a "justice" system to stop them in the first place.

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A little musing I had there...what do you think?


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19 May 2009, 6:18 pm

mikebw wrote:
The real problem is that when it comes to wrong there is no making it right, what's done is done, and more to the point, murderers/criminals(Especially repeat offenders) are the ones who suck, if not for them there would be no need for a "justice" system to stop them in the first place.


100%.



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19 May 2009, 6:29 pm

ryan93 wrote:
Wrong.

If a man murders you, he did something wrong. If he's caught, he will be sentenced to death or put behind bars for life. Is that not another wrong? Or do people like being killed and locked away to rot? If the world's entire justice system is built on this concept then it's obvious that two wrongs make a right.
If a person murders, they did something illegal. I will skip the death penalty, as not to get into the legal killing end of it, but have trouble understanding how consequences for murder are considered another wrong.



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19 May 2009, 7:29 pm

Shadowgirl wrote:
Well it wouldn't be right to let them back into society where they could kill again.

Well, the question then becomes "how many would kill again?".

I mean, I would imagine that the average person like this will be young and male, and killed due to some situation specific reason, such as an insult, or perhaps a botched robbery, or some stupid thing like that, which they probably wouldn't do a decade later. This could be wrong, but I doubt that most murderers are serial killers.



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19 May 2009, 7:31 pm

the question is what is right and wrong? consider some think pot smoking is a wrong others think it is right.


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19 May 2009, 8:08 pm

cognito wrote:
the question is what is right and wrong? consider some think pot smoking is a wrong others think it is right.


Robbery-homocide and child rape are pretty cut and dry though.



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19 May 2009, 8:49 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Robbery-homocide and child rape are pretty cut and dry though.

What if you robbery-homicide and child rape for orphans?



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19 May 2009, 8:55 pm

You mean like a pay-per-view fundraiser?



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19 May 2009, 8:59 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Robbery-homocide and child rape are pretty cut and dry though.

What if you robbery-homicide and child rape for orphans?


Absolutely not, though if you were doing it to promote prostate cancer awareness...might have to think about that one.



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19 May 2009, 9:04 pm

but is it wrong to the child rapist?


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19 May 2009, 9:07 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
mikebw wrote:
The real problem is that when it comes to wrong there is no making it right, what's done is done, and more to the point, murderers/criminals(Especially repeat offenders) are the ones who suck, if not for them there would be no need for a "justice" system to stop them in the first place.


100%.

It certainly couldn't be sh***y circumstances outside their control that cause them commit crimes, because free will is a totally sound concept. And it certainly couldn't be the fact that our prisons are practically criminal factories that brings about repeat offenders. That's just silly.


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19 May 2009, 9:15 pm

But 2 wrongs squared plus 7 divided by 8 multiplied by pi do happen to make a right!



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19 May 2009, 9:25 pm

twoshots wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
mikebw wrote:
The real problem is that when it comes to wrong there is no making it right, what's done is done, and more to the point, murderers/criminals(Especially repeat offenders) are the ones who suck, if not for them there would be no need for a "justice" system to stop them in the first place.


100%.

It certainly couldn't be sh***y circumstances outside their control that cause them commit crimes, because free will is a totally sound concept. And it certainly couldn't be the fact that our prisons are practically criminal factories that brings about repeat offenders. That's just silly.

This.

The question we ask has to be whether our current "justice" system even does anything to prevent repeat offense or minimize the damage done. All available data suggests that it does not. Do we want a justice system based on retribution and vengeance, or one that tries to rehabilitate the criminal and make them a valuable member of society?


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