29 Jul 2021, 8:12 am
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
So Mr Reynholm thinks there was no insurrection in this universe? 
You might call Election Day 2016 an insurrection. But I think peaceful uprising would be a more apt description. Either way it was a huge middle finger to the DC elite ruling class. Thats why the whole "Russia" hoax. The establishment types could not admit that THEY were the problem. The visceral reaction to Trump over the last 4 years is a warning to any private citizen who dares to run for president again.
Peaceful????Armed thugs invading the capital??A noose on the lawn for Pence?In any other nation it would be called an attempted coup.
Exactly what it was.
I said Election Day 2016. Not January 6 2021.
Fair enough, for Election Day 2016 wasn't an insurrection unless one redefines insurrection entirely.
The people were sick of the DC elite ruling class. This isn't about Trump. It is about the fact that we are being ruled by an oligarchy. Whoever the next private citizen to run for president will get the same treatment.
29 Jul 2021, 8:37 am
29 Jul 2021, 9:28 am
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
So Mr Reynholm thinks there was no insurrection in this universe?
You might call Election Day 2016 an insurrection. But I think peaceful uprising would be a more apt description. Either way it was a huge middle finger to the DC elite ruling class. Thats why the whole "Russia" hoax. The establishment types could not admit that THEY were the problem. The visceral reaction to Trump over the last 4 years is a warning to any private citizen who dares to run for president again.
Peaceful????Armed thugs invading the capital??A noose on the lawn for Pence?In any other nation it would be called an attempted coup.
Exactly what it was.
How about the hoards of violent protesters attacking the White House a few years back? Coup?
Did they enter the building and kill and police officers ?
29 Jul 2021, 9:32 am
29 Jul 2021, 9:54 am
Misslizard wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
So Mr Reynholm thinks there was no insurrection in this universe?
You might call Election Day 2016 an insurrection. But I think peaceful uprising would be a more apt description. Either way it was a huge middle finger to the DC elite ruling class. Thats why the whole "Russia" hoax. The establishment types could not admit that THEY were the problem. The visceral reaction to Trump over the last 4 years is a warning to any private citizen who dares to run for president again.
Peaceful????Armed thugs invading the capital??A noose on the lawn for Pence?In any other nation it would be called an attempted coup.
Exactly what it was.
How about the hoards of violent protesters attacking the White House a few years back? Coup?
Did they enter the building and kill and police officers ?
Did anyone enter the building and kill a police officer on January 6?
29 Jul 2021, 9:58 am
29 Jul 2021, 10:19 am
Brictoria wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
So Mr Reynholm thinks there was no insurrection in this universe?
You might call Election Day 2016 an insurrection. But I think peaceful uprising would be a more apt description. Either way it was a huge middle finger to the DC elite ruling class. Thats why the whole "Russia" hoax. The establishment types could not admit that THEY were the problem. The visceral reaction to Trump over the last 4 years is a warning to any private citizen who dares to run for president again.
Peaceful????Armed thugs invading the capital??A noose on the lawn for Pence?In any other nation it would be called an attempted coup.
Exactly what it was.
How about the hoards of violent protesters attacking the White House a few years back? Coup?
Did they enter the building and kill and police officers ?
Did anyone enter the building and kill a police officer on January 6?
People did enter the building.
One officer died due to injuries.Maybe it wasn’t inside but I doubt that matters to his family.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcwas ... 278/%3famp
Many more injured.Ironic the very people that say Democrats are anti police wind up beating the cops up, some waving the thin blue line flag.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... utType=amp
29 Jul 2021, 10:47 am
Misslizard wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
So Mr Reynholm thinks there was no insurrection in this universe?
You might call Election Day 2016 an insurrection. But I think peaceful uprising would be a more apt description. Either way it was a huge middle finger to the DC elite ruling class. Thats why the whole "Russia" hoax. The establishment types could not admit that THEY were the problem. The visceral reaction to Trump over the last 4 years is a warning to any private citizen who dares to run for president again.
Peaceful????Armed thugs invading the capital??A noose on the lawn for Pence?In any other nation it would be called an attempted coup.
Exactly what it was.
How about the hoards of violent protesters attacking the White House a few years back? Coup?
Did they enter the building and kill and police officers ?
The democrats killed many during their summer of terror.
I woman was killed by the Capital Police.
29 Jul 2021, 10:52 am
Misslizard wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
So Mr Reynholm thinks there was no insurrection in this universe?
You might call Election Day 2016 an insurrection. But I think peaceful uprising would be a more apt description. Either way it was a huge middle finger to the DC elite ruling class. Thats why the whole "Russia" hoax. The establishment types could not admit that THEY were the problem. The visceral reaction to Trump over the last 4 years is a warning to any private citizen who dares to run for president again.
Peaceful????Armed thugs invading the capital??A noose on the lawn for Pence?In any other nation it would be called an attempted coup.
Exactly what it was.
How about the hoards of violent protesters attacking the White House a few years back? Coup?
Did they enter the building and kill and police officers ?
Did anyone enter the building and kill a police officer on January 6?
People did enter the building.
One officer died due to injuries.Maybe it wasn’t inside but I doubt that matters to his family.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcwas ... 278/%3famp
Actually, reading the article you supplied, along with a more recent article, they both have the same in common:
Quote:
The Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, led by Francisco Diaz, told the Washington Examiner in April that Sicknick’s death was "natural" and caused by two strokes. The medical examiner said Sicknick was sprayed with a chemical substance at about 2:20 p.m. on Jan. 6, collapsed at the Capitol at about 10 p.m., and was taken to a local hospital. He died at about 9:30 p.m. on Jan. 7. Although Diaz told the Washington Post that Sicknick suffered neither an allergic reaction to chemical irritants nor any injuries, he said “all that transpired played a role in his condition.“
The medical examiner’s office directly noted that the term “natural” is “used when a disease alone causes death” and that “if death is hastened by an injury, the manner of death is not considered natural.”
The medical examiner’s office directly noted that the term “natural” is “used when a disease alone causes death” and that “if death is hastened by an injury, the manner of death is not considered natural.”
Source: https://news.yahoo.com/debunked-claims-officer-sicknick-died-173000691.html
According to the medical examiner: “if death is hastened by an injury, the manner of death is not considered natural”, so even the medical examiner has stated (through deeming the death "natural") that what occurred during the riot was not the cause of (or a factor which hastened) his death.
It probably shouldn't need noting they although they also stated that "all that transpired played a role in his condition", it does not imply that had there been no riot for him to respond to he would not have died, and is made to show there was no causal link found between the events, while not stating outright that they were unable to find any such link (with the media attention and how they promoted his death, declaring there was no link would likely have resulted in claims that the examiner was "protecting" the rioters, or "covering up"). Had there been anything that may have specifically linked the event to his death, this would have been noted in a way that specified "cause and effect" upon him.
29 Jul 2021, 11:28 am
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
So Mr Reynholm thinks there was no insurrection in this universe?
You might call Election Day 2016 an insurrection. But I think peaceful uprising would be a more apt description. Either way it was a huge middle finger to the DC elite ruling class. Thats why the whole "Russia" hoax. The establishment types could not admit that THEY were the problem. The visceral reaction to Trump over the last 4 years is a warning to any private citizen who dares to run for president again.
Peaceful????Armed thugs invading the capital??A noose on the lawn for Pence?In any other nation it would be called an attempted coup.
Exactly what it was.
How about the hoards of violent protesters attacking the White House a few years back? Coup?
Did they enter the building and kill and police officers ?
The democrats killed many during their summer of terror.
I woman was killed by the Capital Police.
What event was that? All I get in a search is something involving South Korea.
29 Jul 2021, 11:28 am
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
So Mr Reynholm thinks there was no insurrection in this universe?
You might call Election Day 2016 an insurrection. But I think peaceful uprising would be a more apt description. Either way it was a huge middle finger to the DC elite ruling class. Thats why the whole "Russia" hoax. The establishment types could not admit that THEY were the problem. The visceral reaction to Trump over the last 4 years is a warning to any private citizen who dares to run for president again.
Peaceful????Armed thugs invading the capital??A noose on the lawn for Pence?In any other nation it would be called an attempted coup.
Exactly what it was.
How about the hoards of violent protesters attacking the White House a few years back? Coup?
Did they enter the building and kill and police officers ?
The democrats killed many during their summer of terror.
I woman was killed by the Capital Police.
Who did the democrats kill?
Not these people.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... utType=amp
29 Jul 2021, 11:33 am
Brictoria wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
So Mr Reynholm thinks there was no insurrection in this universe?
You might call Election Day 2016 an insurrection. But I think peaceful uprising would be a more apt description. Either way it was a huge middle finger to the DC elite ruling class. Thats why the whole "Russia" hoax. The establishment types could not admit that THEY were the problem. The visceral reaction to Trump over the last 4 years is a warning to any private citizen who dares to run for president again.
Peaceful????Armed thugs invading the capital??A noose on the lawn for Pence?In any other nation it would be called an attempted coup.
Exactly what it was.
How about the hoards of violent protesters attacking the White House a few years back? Coup?
Did they enter the building and kill and police officers ?
Did anyone enter the building and kill a police officer on January 6?
People did enter the building.
One officer died due to injuries.Maybe it wasn’t inside but I doubt that matters to his family.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcwas ... 278/%3famp
Actually, reading the article you supplied, along with a more recent article, they both have the same in common:
Quote:
The Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, led by Francisco Diaz, told the Washington Examiner in April that Sicknick’s death was "natural" and caused by two strokes. The medical examiner said Sicknick was sprayed with a chemical substance at about 2:20 p.m. on Jan. 6, collapsed at the Capitol at about 10 p.m., and was taken to a local hospital. He died at about 9:30 p.m. on Jan. 7. Although Diaz told the Washington Post that Sicknick suffered neither an allergic reaction to chemical irritants nor any injuries, he said “all that transpired played a role in his condition.“
The medical examiner’s office directly noted that the term “natural” is “used when a disease alone causes death” and that “if death is hastened by an injury, the manner of death is not considered natural.”
The medical examiner’s office directly noted that the term “natural” is “used when a disease alone causes death” and that “if death is hastened by an injury, the manner of death is not considered natural.”
Source: https://news.yahoo.com/debunked-claims-officer-sicknick-died-173000691.html
According to the medical examiner: “if death is hastened by an injury, the manner of death is not considered natural”, so even the medical examiner has stated (through deeming the death "natural") that what occurred during the riot was not the cause of (or a factor which hastened) his death.
It probably shouldn't need noting they although they also stated that "all that transpired played a role in his condition", it does not imply that had there been no riot for him to respond to he would not have died, and is made to show there was no causal link found between the events, while not stating outright that they were unable to find any such link (with the media attention and how they promoted his death, declaring there was no link would likely have resulted in claims that the examiner was "protecting" the rioters, or "covering up"). Had there been anything that may have specifically linked the event to his death, this would have been noted in a way that specified "cause and effect" upon him.
Even if his death was unrelated I doubt being sprayed in the face with bear mace is a peaceful protest.
Don’t forget 140 officers were injured.And not by “ tourists”, by terrorists.I live in a tourist town, they maybe annoying but they don’t usually go on a rampage and attack our courthouse.
29 Jul 2021, 11:54 am
Misslizard wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
So Mr Reynholm thinks there was no insurrection in this universe?
You might call Election Day 2016 an insurrection. But I think peaceful uprising would be a more apt description. Either way it was a huge middle finger to the DC elite ruling class. Thats why the whole "Russia" hoax. The establishment types could not admit that THEY were the problem. The visceral reaction to Trump over the last 4 years is a warning to any private citizen who dares to run for president again.
Peaceful????Armed thugs invading the capital??A noose on the lawn for Pence?In any other nation it would be called an attempted coup.
Exactly what it was.
How about the hoards of violent protesters attacking the White House a few years back? Coup?
Did they enter the building and kill and police officers ?
Did anyone enter the building and kill a police officer on January 6?
People did enter the building.
One officer died due to injuries.Maybe it wasn’t inside but I doubt that matters to his family.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcwas ... 278/%3famp
Actually, reading the article you supplied, along with a more recent article, they both have the same in common:
Quote:
The Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, led by Francisco Diaz, told the Washington Examiner in April that Sicknick’s death was "natural" and caused by two strokes. The medical examiner said Sicknick was sprayed with a chemical substance at about 2:20 p.m. on Jan. 6, collapsed at the Capitol at about 10 p.m., and was taken to a local hospital. He died at about 9:30 p.m. on Jan. 7. Although Diaz told the Washington Post that Sicknick suffered neither an allergic reaction to chemical irritants nor any injuries, he said “all that transpired played a role in his condition.“
The medical examiner’s office directly noted that the term “natural” is “used when a disease alone causes death” and that “if death is hastened by an injury, the manner of death is not considered natural.”
The medical examiner’s office directly noted that the term “natural” is “used when a disease alone causes death” and that “if death is hastened by an injury, the manner of death is not considered natural.”
Source: https://news.yahoo.com/debunked-claims-officer-sicknick-died-173000691.html
According to the medical examiner: “if death is hastened by an injury, the manner of death is not considered natural”, so even the medical examiner has stated (through deeming the death "natural") that what occurred during the riot was not the cause of (or a factor which hastened) his death.
It probably shouldn't need noting they although they also stated that "all that transpired played a role in his condition", it does not imply that had there been no riot for him to respond to he would not have died, and is made to show there was no causal link found between the events, while not stating outright that they were unable to find any such link (with the media attention and how they promoted his death, declaring there was no link would likely have resulted in claims that the examiner was "protecting" the rioters, or "covering up"). Had there been anything that may have specifically linked the event to his death, this would have been noted in a way that specified "cause and effect" upon him.
Even if his death was unrelated I doubt being sprayed in the face with bear mace is a peaceful protest.
Which is beside the point: The "goalposts" you set were specifically "Did they enter the building and kill and police officers ", so could you clarify whether the rioters on January killed (one or more) police officers, or did they simply enter the building whilst not killing any police officers?
Misslizard wrote:
Don’t forget 140 officers were injured.And not by “ tourists”, by terrorists.I live in a tourist town, they maybe annoying but they don’t usually go on a rampage and attack our courthouse.
You mean like the victims of the terrorists (using your definition) who attacked the courthouse in Portland?
Quote:
A federal agent’s hand was impaled by planted nails, another federal agent was shot by a pellet gun leaving a wound deep to the bone and tragically three federal officers were likely left permanently blinded by the rioters,
Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/07/24/white-house-3-federal-officers-likely-permanently-blinded-by-portland-protesters/
I wonder if the punishment for those people who injured the police officers in Portland will match (based on severity of injuries inflicted) those who injured the poice officers on January 6 - It would be nice to think the "side" a person was on would not affect the treatment\punishment they received (I believe this is termed "equity"), wouldn't it?
29 Jul 2021, 12:06 pm
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29 Jul 2021, 12:27 pm
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
So Mr Reynholm thinks there was no insurrection in this universe?
You might call Election Day 2016 an insurrection. But I think peaceful uprising would be a more apt description. Either way it was a huge middle finger to the DC elite ruling class. Thats why the whole "Russia" hoax. The establishment types could not admit that THEY were the problem. The visceral reaction to Trump over the last 4 years is a warning to any private citizen who dares to run for president again.
Peaceful????Armed thugs invading the capital??A noose on the lawn for Pence?In any other nation it would be called an attempted coup.
Exactly what it was.
How about the hoards of violent protesters attacking the White House a few years back? Coup?
Did they enter the building and kill and police officers ?
The democrats killed many during their summer of terror.
I woman was killed by the Capital Police.
Not a coup but since BLM rioters attacked police stations which are government, and a Federal Building calling it an insurrection is not out of line.
It worked for them so we tried it is not an excuse. Two wrongs do not make a right.
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29 Jul 2021, 1:23 pm
