Anyone Keeping Up With the January 6th Riot?

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30 Jul 2021, 2:50 am

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I'd like to know about Chewbacca.


This clown actually sounded like Chewbacca

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Maybe that was the look he was going for.


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30 Jul 2021, 4:53 am

I'm sure the Chewie reenactment works swell for him, making new friends in max security prison :lol:



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30 Jul 2021, 9:38 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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I'd like to know about Chewbacca.


This clown actually sounded like Chewbacca

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Maybe that was the look he was going for.

What’s really horrible is that photo will be in history books.


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30 Jul 2021, 10:32 am

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What’s really horrible is that photo will be in history books.
So will this...

"According to the U.S. Attorney’s Office memorandum charging Angeli with two felonies in the wake of the 2021 US Capitol riot, Angeli believes that global elites are running the world, that United States leaders are part of a secret rings of child abusers who practice satanic worship, and other debunked theories.  He has repeatedly demonstrated dramatic, erratic behavior, an inability to conform to societal norms, and an unwillingness to appreciate the consequences of his actions.  He abides by his own belief system, acts accordingly regardless of the criminal consequences, and brings others along with him.  His ability and willingness to conform his behavior to pre-trial supervision conditions appears to be virtually nil."

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Not much of a legacy to leave for the history books, eh?


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30 Jul 2021, 11:57 am

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What’s really horrible is that photo will be in history books.
So will this...

"According to the U.S. Attorney’s Office memorandum charging Angeli with two felonies in the wake of the 2021 US Capitol riot, Angeli believes that global elites are running the world, that United States leaders are part of a secret rings of child abusers who practice satanic worship, and other debunked theories.  He has repeatedly demonstrated dramatic, erratic behavior, an inability to conform to societal norms, and an unwillingness to appreciate the consequences of his actions.  He abides by his own belief system, acts accordingly regardless of the criminal consequences, and brings others along with him.  His ability and willingness to conform his behavior to pre-trial supervision conditions appears to be virtually nil."

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 The Encyclopedia of American Loons )

Not much of a legacy to leave for the history books, eh?


Either the guy is mentally ill, or he can be classified as a sociopath.


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30 Jul 2021, 1:18 pm

I can just see kids defacing his photo in the history books.Maybe with a Hitler mustache.They can’t add horns since they are already there.


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30 Jul 2021, 7:10 pm

Proud Boy defendant uses perceived autism as a
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A Texas Proud Boy could be facing a new warrant for his arrest if he continues refusing to wear a mask during pretrial check-ins, a federal judge warned him Friday.

During a contentious hearing Friday afternoon, Daniel Goodwyn, of Corinth, Texas, repeatedly suggested to U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton that he was not planning on abiding by a policy – or Walton’s order – requiring him to wear a mask during check-ins with pretrial services. Goodwyn claimed – despite ample evidence to the contrary – that he didn’t believe masks worked or that he could transmit the COVID-19 virus asymptomatically.

“There have been over 600,000 people who have died as a result of coming into contact with this virus, so I don’t care if you believe it or not,” Walton told him. “I’m not going to be a part of other people dying because of what you don’t believe.”

Goodwyn was indicted in February on multiple charges, including a felony count of obstruction of an official proceeding that carries a potential maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. According to court documents, Goodwyn is a self-described Proud Boy who was captured on video inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 calling an officer an “oathbreaker.”

Goodwyn was granted pretrial release in March, but on Wednesday, the Justice Department filed a motion asking Walton to revoke that release. In its filing, the DOJ said Goodwyn had repeatedly refused to wear a mask during a June 21 visit to pretrial services and then refused to appear for a July 2 meeting.

The government also noted that during his initial arrest on Jan. 29, FBI agents learned that at least one member of Goodwyn’s household believed they had COVID-19 – however Goodwyn allegedly refused to answer if he was positive, take a COVID-19 test or to wear any personal protective equipment.

“When FBI placed a mask on the defendant’s face after his arrest, the defendant attempted to chew through the mask and spit the mask out,” the DOJ wrote. “During the defendant’s arrest, FBI used approximately five masks on the defendant. FBI then drove the defendant to a facility approximately 90 minutes from his residence that was willing to quarantine him.”

Goodwyn eventually agreed to wear a mask for his initial hearing, but since then has returned to “petulant and insolent behavior,” the DOJ said.

Goodwyn’s attorney, John Daniel Hull IV, attempted to explain his client’s behavior by saying he believes he is on the autism spectrum and that forcing him to wear a mask will likely cause him to “flip out.” Goodwyn’s mother also testified that Goodwyn had been seen by an autism specialist, and that she believed he had Asperger’s syndrome, but said she had no documentation of that diagnosis.


Walton said he understood the issues autism might cause, but said he would need paperwork to show a doctor’s diagnosis.
He also chastised Hull for a letter he wrote to pretrial services calling an employee “arrogant” and “prissy."

Goodwyn then began protesting further but was stopped by his attorney, who interjected and warned him, “Daniel… you can’t do this.”

Walton ended the hearing with a week’s window for Hull to provide documentation of Goodwyn’s autism diagnosis and another reminder to pretrial services to alert him if Goodwyn again refuses to follow mask rules.

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30 Jul 2021, 7:47 pm

/\What he needs is a nice white hood to cover his head.


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30 Jul 2021, 8:53 pm

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Proud Boy defendant uses perceived autism as a
reason not to mask up

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A Texas Proud Boy could be facing a new warrant for his arrest if he continues refusing to wear a mask during pretrial check-ins, a federal judge warned him Friday.

During a contentious hearing Friday afternoon, Daniel Goodwyn, of Corinth, Texas, repeatedly suggested to U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton that he was not planning on abiding by a policy – or Walton’s order – requiring him to wear a mask during check-ins with pretrial services. Goodwyn claimed – despite ample evidence to the contrary – that he didn’t believe masks worked or that he could transmit the COVID-19 virus asymptomatically.

“There have been over 600,000 people who have died as a result of coming into contact with this virus, so I don’t care if you believe it or not,” Walton told him. “I’m not going to be a part of other people dying because of what you don’t believe.”

Goodwyn was indicted in February on multiple charges, including a felony count of obstruction of an official proceeding that carries a potential maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. According to court documents, Goodwyn is a self-described Proud Boy who was captured on video inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 calling an officer an “oathbreaker.”

Goodwyn was granted pretrial release in March, but on Wednesday, the Justice Department filed a motion asking Walton to revoke that release. In its filing, the DOJ said Goodwyn had repeatedly refused to wear a mask during a June 21 visit to pretrial services and then refused to appear for a July 2 meeting.

The government also noted that during his initial arrest on Jan. 29, FBI agents learned that at least one member of Goodwyn’s household believed they had COVID-19 – however Goodwyn allegedly refused to answer if he was positive, take a COVID-19 test or to wear any personal protective equipment.

“When FBI placed a mask on the defendant’s face after his arrest, the defendant attempted to chew through the mask and spit the mask out,” the DOJ wrote. “During the defendant’s arrest, FBI used approximately five masks on the defendant. FBI then drove the defendant to a facility approximately 90 minutes from his residence that was willing to quarantine him.”

Goodwyn eventually agreed to wear a mask for his initial hearing, but since then has returned to “petulant and insolent behavior,” the DOJ said.

Goodwyn’s attorney, John Daniel Hull IV, attempted to explain his client’s behavior by saying he believes he is on the autism spectrum and that forcing him to wear a mask will likely cause him to “flip out.” Goodwyn’s mother also testified that Goodwyn had been seen by an autism specialist, and that she believed he had Asperger’s syndrome, but said she had no documentation of that diagnosis.


Walton said he understood the issues autism might cause, but said he would need paperwork to show a doctor’s diagnosis.
He also chastised Hull for a letter he wrote to pretrial services calling an employee “arrogant” and “prissy."

Goodwyn then began protesting further but was stopped by his attorney, who interjected and warned him, “Daniel… you can’t do this.”

Walton ended the hearing with a week’s window for Hull to provide documentation of Goodwyn’s autism diagnosis and another reminder to pretrial services to alert him if Goodwyn again refuses to follow mask rules.

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Nah, I doubt he's autistic. His only problem is that he's a roaring a$$hole.


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30 Jul 2021, 10:13 pm

I think the lawyers for Central Park Karen are also using the autism defence for Amy Cooper in her litigation against her former employer Franklin Templeton. This is despite the fact Amy Cooper has never been diagnosed with any form of mental illness. I'm sure her parents are just as shocked wondering how her supposed diagnosis came out of the blue.

I'm not saying this proudboy isn't on the spectrum but his lawyers might also be hoping to mitigate any criminal offences he committed by watering down his culpability based on circumstantial traits he may (or may not) have.

What it boils down to is this. If a person has autistic traits but is perfectly capable of normal intelligence and normal judgement then should it be circumstantial evidence to avoid jail?

It gets back to a point I made that being high functioning autistic isn't a green light to be racist.



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31 Jul 2021, 3:48 am

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I think the lawyers for Central Park Karen are also using the autism defence for Amy Cooper in her litigation against her former employer Franklin Templeton. This is despite the fact Amy Cooper has never been diagnosed with any form of mental illness. I'm sure her parents are just as shocked wondering how her supposed diagnosis came out of the blue.

I'm not saying this proudboy isn't on the spectrum but his lawyers might also be hoping to mitigate any criminal offences he committed by watering down his culpability based on circumstantial traits he may (or may not) have.

What it boils down to is this. If a person has autistic traits but is perfectly capable of normal intelligence and normal judgement then should it be circumstantial evidence to avoid jail?

It gets back to a point I made that being high functioning autistic isn't a green light to be racist.


As I said, probably just a roaring a$$hole.


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31 Jul 2021, 3:53 am

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As I said, probably just a roaring a$$hole.


Glad you are saying this, If I say it I'm accused of being "ableist"



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31 Jul 2021, 3:58 am

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As I said, probably just a roaring a$$hole.


Glad you are saying this, If I say it I'm accused of being "ableist"


That's what I'm here for. 8)


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31 Jul 2021, 8:27 am

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This is despite the fact Amy Cooper has never been diagnosed with any form of mental illness.


Interesting: I have seen nothing published about this (I have, however, seen and heard (and posted a video which you commented on) her lawyer discussing how she was on the spectrum (he started saying she was Autistic, then revised to "on the spectrum", which is ambiguous as to whether she has been diagnosed as Autistic or not)), so would be interested to see a source that supports your assertion.

Even a search on both DDG and Google returned nothing, which suggests that this is more likely a fabrication rather than a fact, but I'm willing to revise this opinion should source material be available.



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31 Jul 2021, 8:31 am

cyberdad wrote:
I think the lawyers for Central Park Karen are also using the autism defence for Amy Cooper in her litigation against her former employer Franklin Templeton. This is despite the fact Amy Cooper has never been diagnosed with any form of mental illness. I'm sure her parents are just as shocked wondering how her supposed diagnosis came out of the blue.

I'm not saying this proudboy isn't on the spectrum but his lawyers might also be hoping to mitigate any criminal offences he committed by watering down his culpability based on circumstantial traits he may (or may not) have.

What it boils down to is this. If a person has autistic traits but is perfectly capable of normal intelligence and normal judgement then should it be circumstantial evidence to avoid jail?

It gets back to a point I made that being high functioning autistic isn't a green light to be racist.

They say autism is a fad. I don’t know about that, but the autism defense is a fad, I hope. We used to have a saying on Wrong Planet “Autism is an explanation not an excuse”. Whatever happened to that? What can I say, I am just another clueless stubborn ok boomer who will never adapt, take me out of my misery and cancel me now(SMH).


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31 Jul 2021, 9:36 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
I think the lawyers for Central Park Karen are also using the autism defence for Amy Cooper in her litigation against her former employer Franklin Templeton. This is despite the fact Amy Cooper has never been diagnosed with any form of mental illness. I'm sure her parents are just as shocked wondering how her supposed diagnosis came out of the blue.

I'm not saying this proudboy isn't on the spectrum but his lawyers might also be hoping to mitigate any criminal offences he committed by watering down his culpability based on circumstantial traits he may (or may not) have.

What it boils down to is this. If a person has autistic traits but is perfectly capable of normal intelligence and normal judgement then should it be circumstantial evidence to avoid jail?

It gets back to a point I made that being high functioning autistic isn't a green light to be racist.

They say autism is a fad. I don’t know about that, but the autism defense is a fad, I hope. We used to have a saying on Wrong Planet “Autism is an explanation not an excuse”. Whatever happened to that? What can I say, I am just another clueless stubborn ok boomer who will never adapt, take me out of my misery and cancel me now(SMH).


Oh dear god, that takes me back. When I was in school, other kids would aggravate my autism and my reactions would piss off the teachers. By the time I got my autism diagnosis, I tried to explain I had autism, but they kept telling me "That's no excuse!" I wasn't making any excuses, but they didn't want to hear me out. All my teachers were so goddamn mean to me and refused to stop the other kids from tormenting me. I hated school so much.


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