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06 Jun 2023, 11:10 pm

You seem to base your claims on what is only possible, no matter how unlikely it may actually be.

Sad, if true.


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07 Jun 2023, 2:09 am

Fnord wrote:
You seem to base your claims on what is only possible, no matter how unlikely it may actually be.

Sad, if true.


My brother in law is a mason, he's the one who told me.



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07 Jun 2023, 1:11 pm

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Not sure how you can convince yourself you are a christian and a right wing ethnonationalist....but I guess that what most white Americans and white South Africans believed (and probably still believe)


No they don't. Not at all nowadays, except for a tiny minority who isolate themselves in places such as Orania or remote farms.


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07 Jun 2023, 1:17 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
You seem to base your claims on what is only possible, no matter how unlikely it may actually be.

Sad, if true.


My brother in law is a mason, he's the one who told me.

I don't know anything about that book or very much at all about masonic symbols and philosophies to have an educated comment at all. I do have a couple friends that are Masons, though, so I know a very little bit about their organization.

On that note, Fnord is a Mason and of the three of us would have the most educated opinion on this.


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07 Jun 2023, 4:31 pm

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On that note, Fnord is a Mason and of the three of us would have the most educated opinion on this.


Yikes! 8O Cyberdad quietly slinks away from this thead



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07 Jun 2023, 4:33 pm

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Not sure how you can convince yourself you are a christian and a right wing ethnonationalist....but I guess that what most white Americans and white South Africans believed (and probably still believe)


No they don't. Not at all nowadays, except for a tiny minority who isolate themselves in places such as Orania or remote farms.


Actually that does make sense, I work with a white south African. He has no nationalism. Doesn't have much nice to say about the ANC though.



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07 Jun 2023, 4:37 pm

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I don't know anything about that book or very much at all about masonic symbols and philosophies to have an educated comment at all. I do have a couple friends that are Masons, though, so I know a very little bit about their organization..


Both my brother-in-law and his father are masons, They have told me there is masonic symbolism everywhere etched in almost every building and public works in every major city.



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07 Jun 2023, 5:36 pm

^That is a story we tell non-Masons just to observe their reactions.  The ones who go all wide-eyed and hungry for more and the ones who laugh it off for the nonsense it is are not usually considered good candidates for the Craft.

It is the singular one who merely contemplates the alleged "symbols" and inquires as to their meaning whom we consider for future induction into the Craft.

It is a screening tool, nothing more.


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07 Jun 2023, 5:48 pm

After a quick review of Umberto Eco's "Foucalt's Pendulum" (reading all 577 pages in one night would have been self-inflicted torture), I came to the conclusion that Eco's story is satire, written with so many obscure references to alchemical nonsense, distorted histories, Jewish Mysticism, and conspiracy theories (some of which he invented specifically for the book) that any reasonable person should see that if one stops discriminating between whether propositions are right or wrong, it is possible to link any fact or idea with any other, which creates a dangerous tendency towards immersing one's mind in the conspiracy theorists' cesspool.  It is not the facts or ideas they cite, but the web of assumptions, coincidences, guesses, and outright lies they weave that makes a conspiracy theory a piece of mental trash.


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07 Jun 2023, 8:35 pm

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^That is a story we tell non-Masons just to observe their reactions.  The ones who go all wide-eyed and hungry for more and the ones who laugh it off for the nonsense it is are not usually considered good candidates for the Craft.

It is the singular one who merely contemplates the alleged "symbols" and inquires as to their meaning whom we consider for future induction into the Craft.

It is a screening tool, nothing more.


Yeah they are secretive. Among the things that are interesting
1. The all seeing eye of Horus on the US dollar bill rising from a pyramid
2. Use of Egyptian Obelisks all over Washington
3. The weird replication of Shah Jehan's Mausoleum (The Taj Mahal) is the design of the White House (The Taj Mahal is actually built over one of holiest temples in India which is supposed to have been thousands of years old)

This doesn't include Egyptian and Babylonian religious imagery/symbolism in the buildings in NY or Washington.



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08 Jun 2023, 12:23 am

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Among the things that are interesting
1. The all seeing eye of Horus on the US dollar bill rising from a pyramid
2. Use of Egyptian Obelisks all over Washington
3. The weird replication of Shah Jehan's Mausoleum (The Taj Mahal) is the design of the White House (The Taj Mahal is actually built over one of holiest temples in India which is supposed to have been thousands of years old)

This doesn't include Egyptian and Babylonian religious imagery/symbolism in the buildings in NY or Washington.
Those facts, while 'interesting', prove only that the designers admired Egyptology and Eastern architecture; nothing more.


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08 Jun 2023, 12:27 am

cyberdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
^That is a story we tell non-Masons just to observe their reactions.  The ones who go all wide-eyed and hungry for more and the ones who laugh it off for the nonsense it is are not usually considered good candidates for the Craft.

It is the singular one who merely contemplates the alleged "symbols" and inquires as to their meaning whom we consider for future induction into the Craft.

It is a screening tool, nothing more.


Yeah they are secretive. Among the things that are interesting
1. The all seeing eye of Horus on the US dollar bill rising from a pyramid
2. Use of Egyptian Obelisks all over Washington
3. The weird replication of Shah Jehan's Mausoleum (The Taj Mahal) is the design of the White House (The Taj Mahal is actually built over one of holiest temples in India which is supposed to have been thousands of years old)

This doesn't include Egyptian and Babylonian religious imagery/symbolism in the buildings in NY or Washington.


Keep in mind the era many of those buildings were built. There's a lot of imitation of Greek, Roman, Egyptian and other cultures. It doesn't prove anything beyond that they had influences.


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08 Jun 2023, 12:52 am

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. . . There's a lot of imitation of Greek, Roman, Egyptian and other cultures. It doesn't prove anything beyond that they had influences.
My cousin is one of those New Age 'psychics' who believes hers is the final word on all things spiritual.  She reported seeing a white-furred grizzly bear on Isle Royal, and claimed it was a sign of ascendancy for any First Nations tribe that had a bear as one of its totems.  She has not spoken to me ever since I pointed out that (due to global warming) polar bears and grizzly bears were encroaching on each others' territories, mating, and producing offspring with mixed-breed features.

I do wonder why some people take offense to mundane facts while bombarding the rest of us with their fantasy stories.


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08 Jun 2023, 1:18 am

"I do wonder why some people take offense to mundane facts while bombarding the rest of us with their fantasy stories."

because surely they're not saddled with a mind that is only able understand mundane things


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08 Jun 2023, 1:25 am

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Fnord wrote:
"I do wonder why some people take offense to mundane facts while bombarding the rest of us with their fantasy stories."[/color]because surely they're not saddled with a mind that is only able understand mundane things
An alternative explanation would be that they are saddled with minds that are so dissatisfied with facts that they cannot help it but to impose their own fantasies.

You know . . . like people who derail threads for the sake of spreading their favorite conspiracy theories . . .

* AHEM *
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08 Jun 2023, 4:30 am

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You know . . . like people who derail threads for the sake of spreading their favorite conspiracy theories . . .

* AHEM *
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Well that was subtle...