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05 Aug 2024, 6:58 am

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What would you suggest - copies of the intelligence agencies' reports, psychiatrists' reports and whatnot are made public?

Providing a name and a usually very scant background serves no useful purpose - or perhaps you can demonstrate how the meagre details provided thus far have reassured anyone?
You know very well that psychiatrist reports are protected by confidentiality so no that one. How about prior history?, did he commit crime before as a youth offender?, how did the criminal justice system deal with his case? Is he part of a gang? do they pose a threat?
Simple questions that relate to everyone's personal safety.
Why wouldn't other (thus far, imaginary) details of his history be subject to the same confidentiality considerations? A criminal record is not public property.
And so what if the answer to each of those questions was "yes" ?
Are you feeling safer yet? :roll:


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05 Aug 2024, 10:44 am

Don't really get rioters target innocents. If they have a problem, then they should take their anger out on the police and government and keep everyone else out of it.



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05 Aug 2024, 10:53 am

Yeah and I really struggle to make the connection between mass immigration and looting pies from Greggs


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05 Aug 2024, 11:04 am

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Yeah and I really struggle to make the connection between mass immigration and looting pies from Greggs


Me too. Riots occasionally do have a valid place in society, but that depends entirely on the objectives and who/what they target.

It would be easier to digest these riots if they just kept it strictly to punch ups and skirmishes with the police and if need be, members of government.



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05 Aug 2024, 11:10 am

Almost 400 people have been arrested already in relation to the rioting

And the pity of it is is that a lot them won't have anything to say about the reason for it all when they are questioned by the police because some people will have just been caught up in the moment


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05 Aug 2024, 11:10 am

I read that the murder suspect is autistic and was described "quiet".

Welp, I guess we can just relax now. The public will never see us as anything other than violent and dangerous sub-humans in spite of the fact *we're* much more likely to be victims of violence.



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05 Aug 2024, 3:22 pm

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Almost 400 people have been arrested already in relation to the rioting

And the pity of it is is that a lot them won't have anything to say about the reason for it all when they are questioned by the police because some people will have just been caught up in the moment


If there is one positive out of this horrible set of events it's that these criminals who have been flying under the radar are now identified and under watch. the UK version of Nazis have let their cards been seen.



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05 Aug 2024, 3:23 pm

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Yeah and I really struggle to make the connection between mass immigration and looting pies from Greggs


these aren't rocket scientists. they are closer culturally and in thought process to football hooligans.



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05 Aug 2024, 3:28 pm

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Why wouldn't other (thus far, imaginary) details of his history be subject to the same confidentiality considerations? A criminal record is not public property.
And so what if the answer to each of those questions was "yes" ?
Are you feeling safer yet? :roll:


Depends what it was. there are legal requirements to inform if a perp is a danger to the community. For example if (hypothetically) Axel was seeing a psychologist and was expressing a desire to murder children then he really should have been a) reported immediately to the police and b) involuntarily interned in a psychiatric hospital.

I do apologise if I don't join the "let's bury our heads in the sand" brigade on this one. If there was a failure in the criminal justice and mental health system then I suspect the parents of these poor children will also (like me) want to know the truth.

If he was showing signs of committing mass murder then what was done? and how can it this be prevented from happening again in the future.



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05 Aug 2024, 3:31 pm

The Independent Live Updates

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Stones have been thrown as far-right and anti-racist demonstrators clashed in Plymouth amid a wave of violence sweeping the UK.

The protesters clashed as campaign group Stand Up To Racism and a “stop the boats” rally met at Guildhall Square in Plymouth this evening.

Devon and Cornwall Police also said violence had been carried out against its officers and a riot van had been damaged during the confrontation.

It comes as almost 400 people have been arrested over the mob violence spreading across the UK, with the prime minister setting up a “standing army” of specialist police officers to deal with further attacks.

Sir Keir Starmer has held an emergency Cobra meeting after far-right mobs carried out racist attacks and set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers in Rotherham and Tamworth.

Meanwhile, Australia, Nigeria, Malaysia and Indonesia have all issued travel alerts to their nationals visiting the UK as far-right violence sweeps across the country.

Children could face life-changing consequences for rioting, director of public prosecutions warns
Stephen Parkinson, the Director of Public Prosecutions, warned children who get involved in disorder could face life-long consequences.

“One of the most striking features of the current outbreak of disorder is that many young people are involved. Children as young as 11. This is deeply disturbing,” he said.

“They may face life-long consequences: conviction, and a permanent record of their involvement on the Police National Database. This can limit their employment options in the future and ability to travel to certain countries.

“For adults, these offences can attract lengthy sentences of imprisonment, beyond the two-year maximum detention available for young offenders.

“Sentencing is a matter for the judiciary, but from the evidence that I have seen, sentencing guidelines suggest that immediate imprisonment will be appropriate for the type of violent disorder that has been witnessed.

“If this seems harsh, the reality, from reports I have received from prosecutors, is that there has been a terrible impact on communities: people barricaded in properties, businesses destroyed and police officers facing violence while trying to keep people safe.”

List of immigration officers shared
Concern for the safety of lawyers has been voiced after a list of solicitors’ firms and advice agencies were shared as targets for gatherings in the coming days.

A message believed to have been widely shared on chat groups lists addresses for immigration law specialists and advice organisations across England, and invites people to “mask up” if they go.

Tell Mama, a group monitoring Islamophobia in the UK, said it had alerted police and counter-terrorism to the “far-right threats”.

Law Society of England and Wales president Nick Emmerson condemned the violence which has already taken place, and said they have “serious concerns about the safety and wellbeing of our members” after the list was shared giving “targets for further protest and violence this week”.

He described such gatherings as a “direct assault on our legal profession” and therefore a “direct assault on our democratic values”.


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06 Aug 2024, 3:15 am

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Yeah and I really struggle to make the connection between mass immigration and looting pies from Greggs


these aren't rocket scientists. they are closer culturally and in thought process to football hooligans.


Yeah that's what my bf said

They're the kind of English people who go to other countries causing problems there as well


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06 Aug 2024, 3:25 am

babybird wrote:
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Yeah and I really struggle to make the connection between mass immigration and looting pies from Greggs


these aren't rocket scientists. they are closer culturally and in thought process to football hooligans.


Yeah that's what my bf said

They're the kind of English people who go to other countries causing problems there as well


Only thing is soccer hooligans have catchy chants. Pity they don't join the local church choir instead of staggering to football matches inebriated.



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06 Aug 2024, 4:06 am

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Don't really get rioters target innocents. If they have a problem, then they should take their anger out on the police and government and keep everyone else out of it.


That would make them far-left, not far-right.

(Beware the latest far-right canard: "two-tier policing". What it actually means: "but what about the far-left?", who weren't there.)



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06 Aug 2024, 6:20 am

I don't even agree with the anti protesters being there

I can only see that it's stoking the fires


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06 Aug 2024, 7:08 am

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If there is one positive out of this horrible set of events it's that these criminals who have been flying under the radar are now identified and under watch. the UK version of Nazis have let their cards been seen.
What about the 4 Million people who voted Reform UK? Are they Nazis as well?


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06 Aug 2024, 7:37 am

It'd be nice if we could start to think of a way forward from this


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