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15 Jul 2024, 11:44 am

Politifact rated posts about the shooting being staged as "Pants on Fire", so I guess I have no choice but to accept that it wasn't staged.

But I still find it amusing that people are saying we shouldn't wish violence against politicians we "don't like" when there are millions of people dying in war right now because politicians. And religion.



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15 Jul 2024, 2:50 pm

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Politifact rated posts about the shooting being staged as "Pants on Fire", so I guess I have no choice but to accept that it wasn't staged.

But I still find it amusing that people are saying we shouldn't wish violence against politicians we "don't like" when there are millions of people dying in war right now because politicians. And religion.

The difference is that wars are usually over things that can't be easily avoided politically. Internal violence like assassinating figures is something at a democracy is supposed to be able to avoid using established processes.

In this case, we don't yet have any real idea what the issue was, but we do know that the shooter was a republican, which makes the whole thing a lot more confusing.

I'm hoping that this will encourage some degree of shift toward civility in the future as the GOP has been pretty quick in recent years to propose political violence as the answer.



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15 Jul 2024, 2:55 pm

He had the typical profile of a school mass shooter. He probably was planning on shooting up his highschool, and taking out 20 classmates. But then Trump came to town...so he changed his plans and opted to take out one big fish instead of
20 small fish. If it had been Biden speaking there and then he woulda shot Biden. Like the Columbine Shooters he just wanted to commit suicide and take out others with him in a blaze of glory. Ideology likely had little or nothing to do with it.



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15 Jul 2024, 3:18 pm

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He had the typical profile of a school mass shooter. He probably was planning on shooting up his highschool, and taking out 20 classmates. But then Trump came to town...so he changed his plans and opted to take out one big fish instead of
20 small fish. If it had been Biden speaking there and then he woulda shot Biden. Like the Columbine Shooters he just wanted to commit suicide and take out others with him in a blaze of glory. Ideology likely had little or nothing to do with it.


I think you're onto something.


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15 Jul 2024, 5:41 pm

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I suspect his loneliness, combined with the bullying he suffered, caused a lot of internalized anger and hate directed at the world in general. As he also had those explosives in his possession, I suspect he was planning to kill Trump then continue on his killing spree before he was gunned down by law enforcement, all to let the world know how much he hated it.

Yes, this is plausible



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15 Jul 2024, 5:43 pm

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He had the typical profile of a school mass shooter. He probably was planning on shooting up his highschool, and taking out 20 classmates. But then Trump came to town...so he changed his plans and opted to take out one big fish instead of
20 small fish. If it had been Biden speaking there and then he woulda shot Biden. Like the Columbine Shooters he just wanted to commit suicide and take out others with him in a blaze of glory. Ideology likely had little or nothing to do with it.

I think Kraichie is suggesting after taking out trump he might have targetted his bullies (had he survived). Weird thing is , his school bullies can thank their lucky stars trump came to town, otherwise their goose was cooked.



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15 Jul 2024, 5:45 pm

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20 small fish. If it had been Biden speaking there and then he woulda shot Biden. Like the Columbine Shooters he just wanted to commit suicide and take out others with him in a blaze of glory. Ideology likely had little or nothing to do with it.

No manifesto, I think digging around his personal social media accounts might reveal more about his profile. 20 yr olds often change their ideas and beliefs overnight.



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15 Jul 2024, 5:51 pm

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He had the typical profile of a school mass shooter. He probably was planning on shooting up his highschool, and taking out 20 classmates. But then Trump came to town...so he changed his plans and opted to take out one big fish instead of
20 small fish. If it had been Biden speaking there and then he woulda shot Biden. Like the Columbine Shooters he just wanted to commit suicide and take out others with him in a blaze of glory. Ideology likely had little or nothing to do with it.

I think Kraichie is suggesting after taking out trump he might have targetted his bullies (had he survived). Weird thing is , his school bullies can thank their lucky stars trump came to town, otherwise their goose was cooked.


Odds are he never would have had a group of bullies all vulnerable at the same time, odds are he would have shot a bunch of people who never seriously contributed to his bullying.


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15 Jul 2024, 5:56 pm

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Odds are he never would have had a group of bullies all vulnerable at the same time, odds are he would have shot a bunch of people who never seriously contributed to his bullying.


We'll probably never know. But school shooters often time their act when the source of the angst is there but yeah, they often don't distinguish between their bullies and other students/teachers whom they blame for not doing anything or worse, laughing at their humiliation (or perception they laughed).



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15 Jul 2024, 6:47 pm

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Odds are he never would have had a group of bullies all vulnerable at the same time, odds are he would have shot a bunch of people who never seriously contributed to his bullying.


We'll probably never know. But school shooters often time their act when the source of the angst is there but yeah, they often don't distinguish between their bullies and other students/teachers whom they blame for not doing anything or worse, laughing at their humiliation (or perception they laughed).


I agree. Monsters aren't born, they're made.


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15 Jul 2024, 8:30 pm

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enz wrote:
trump voters will probably see this as proof trumps on gods side

I can't entirely blame them, since he dodged that bullet by such a small amount. The only reason it missed him is that he moved his head a the last moment on accident.


As for where that protection Trump was given came from... maybe we shouldn't be looking up.


sorry meaning?



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15 Jul 2024, 10:21 pm

^^^
That maybe we should be looking for Trump's protector down below.


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15 Jul 2024, 10:35 pm

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^^^
That maybe we should be looking for Trump's protector down below.


Don't look at me. :evil:


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15 Jul 2024, 10:45 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
^^^
That maybe we should be looking for Trump's protector down below.

:lol:



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15 Jul 2024, 11:09 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g00SkAui6vM



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15 Jul 2024, 11:34 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
^^^
That maybe we should be looking for Trump's protector down below.


Kinda make one think....?

Am not good with the idea of being defenseless again evil. So is the Answer to just become Stoic about the future dibocle .
I think people who are more connected to the common man, might be Good Candidate fot President .....
( but this guy has the acting Chops)..from his previous work in the media world. Trump= :jester: \ Biden= :| ...
which is easier or more fun to look at ? . These presented choices are obviously dramatically looking different .
In Speech , In presentation . This is like a media , show , that , it is hard to turn to a different channel ( or a different Candidate .)..too! ...Maybe am just looking for patterns inside of patterns ?. :skull:


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