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28 Oct 2019, 1:00 am

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So the best evedence to date are brief dodgy clips presented by a youtube channel.


Happy reading Ezra
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng- ... s-database

Of course I expect you will wiggle your way out of addressing this as well....



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28 Oct 2019, 1:14 am

EzraS wrote:
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Even Ben Shapiro is now calling for civil war:



So what is this about the left being the violent ones or the left being just as bad?

Of course, right-wingers here will say, "But Kathy Griffin!11" while ignoring the fact that what she did met with nearly universal condemnation from the left as well as the right. But are the right-wingers going to condemn Ben Shapiro and the other right-wing commentators here? If not, then the 2 sides are NOT the same.


I'd like to see those clips in their context. The second one they showed looked like footage I've seen of liberals setting fires in the streets. Also I noticed that in some of the blurbs the footage was jumpy, the voices sounded distorted and and the words were out of sync with mouth movements. I really don't see how you can keep presenting a quasi news program like TYT with a straight face.


It's not conceivable that right wingers could threaten violence?


Do you have a more convincing presentation to offer?


Yes - - the initial Young Turks broadcast presented the right's rhetoric.


So the best evedence to date are brief dodgy clips presented by a youtube channel.


If they didn't say those things, then it should be easily proven that it's fake. So far, I don't see that happening.
And context? How is threatening violent civil war ever in the right context?


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28 Oct 2019, 1:19 am

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I completely agree here.

But Twizty still seems to be under the notion that we don't believe this, for some reason. He seems to think that unless we think Democrats are just as bad as Republicans, then we believe the left is completely innocent and has never had a bad person ever. It's almost cartoonish, and it means we can't even have a real discussion here.


The connotation that democrats are good and republicans are evil has permeated this subforum for at least as long as I've been reading it.



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28 Oct 2019, 1:37 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Even Ben Shapiro is now calling for civil war:



So what is this about the left being the violent ones or the left being just as bad?

Of course, right-wingers here will say, "But Kathy Griffin!11" while ignoring the fact that what she did met with nearly universal condemnation from the left as well as the right. But are the right-wingers going to condemn Ben Shapiro and the other right-wing commentators here? If not, then the 2 sides are NOT the same.


I'd like to see those clips in their context. The second one they showed looked like footage I've seen of liberals setting fires in the streets. Also I noticed that in some of the blurbs the footage was jumpy, the voices sounded distorted and and the words were out of sync with mouth movements. I really don't see how you can keep presenting a quasi news program like TYT with a straight face.


It's not conceivable that right wingers could threaten violence?


Do you have a more convincing presentation to offer?


Yes - - the initial Young Turks broadcast presented the right's rhetoric.


So the best evedence to date are brief dodgy clips presented by a youtube channel.


If they didn't say those things, then it should be easily proven that it's fake. So far, I don't see that happening.
And context? How is threatening violent civil war ever in the right context?


Tell you what, show me any mainstream media outlets showing those or similar clips.



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28 Oct 2019, 1:49 am

EzraS wrote:
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I completely agree here.

But Twizty still seems to be under the notion that we don't believe this, for some reason. He seems to think that unless we think Democrats are just as bad as Republicans, then we believe the left is completely innocent and has never had a bad person ever. It's almost cartoonish, and it means we can't even have a real discussion here.


The connotation that democrats are good and republicans are evil has permeated this subforum for at least as long as I've been reading it.


And it's way too black and white. Rather, each side has its problems. Right now, the Republicans have a big problem with violence. The Democrats on the other hand, not so much.


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28 Oct 2019, 1:57 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Even Ben Shapiro is now calling for civil war:



So what is this about the left being the violent ones or the left being just as bad?

Of course, right-wingers here will say, "But Kathy Griffin!11" while ignoring the fact that what she did met with nearly universal condemnation from the left as well as the right. But are the right-wingers going to condemn Ben Shapiro and the other right-wing commentators here? If not, then the 2 sides are NOT the same.


I'd like to see those clips in their context. The second one they showed looked like footage I've seen of liberals setting fires in the streets. Also I noticed that in some of the blurbs the footage was jumpy, the voices sounded distorted and and the words were out of sync with mouth movements. I really don't see how you can keep presenting a quasi news program like TYT with a straight face.


It's not conceivable that right wingers could threaten violence?


Do you have a more convincing presentation to offer?


Yes - - the initial Young Turks broadcast presented the right's rhetoric.


So the best evedence to date are brief dodgy clips presented by a youtube channel.


If they didn't say those things, then it should be easily proven that it's fake. So far, I don't see that happening.
And context? How is threatening violent civil war ever in the right context?


Tell you what, show me any mainstream media outlets showing those or similar clips.


I thought you considered main stream news to be fake news.


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28 Oct 2019, 2:16 am

beneficii wrote:
EzraS wrote:
beneficii wrote:
I completely agree here.

But Twizty still seems to be under the notion that we don't believe this, for some reason. He seems to think that unless we think Democrats are just as bad as Republicans, then we believe the left is completely innocent and has never had a bad person ever. It's almost cartoonish, and it means we can't even have a real discussion here.


The connotation that democrats are good and republicans are evil has permeated this subforum for at least as long as I've been reading it.


And it's way too black and white. Rather, each side has its problems. Right now, the Republicans have a big problem with violence. The Democrats on the other hand, not so much.


I don't see much compelling evedence of that. Show me where republicans went berserk en masse either time Obama was elected. Are there hours of footage of mob riots throughout the US smashing and burning out in the streets while clashing with police in riot gear having to pepper spraying them?

But really it's not democrats as a whole who act that way, but rather more specifically the anti-trump people. They are most likely the majority of the mob riots. The thosands of death threats to electors. All the death threats and threats of violence agaist children and their school. et cetera.



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28 Oct 2019, 2:33 am

cyberdad wrote:
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^yeah i think so too.

also, that's not to say that you don't have a point or that i don't agree with anything you're saying in this thread because i do. just not sure how beneficii came to that conclusion.


Oh I'm sure if you travel to a small regional town during a federal election you will see local GOP volunteers standing in front of polling booths handing flyers out even if the entire population of the town is like 20.

I agree with Beneficii that the handful of pro-Trump posters on this forum can influence possibly 1000s of US autistic voters who read these forums (even if they don't contribute). While the level of influence in swinging the outcome of an election is highly unlikely to make any difference; if you combine thousands of different online forums used by Americans across the world then the combined effort of "other Ezras" out there playing their same little games would (I think) make some difference.


All I do is discuss and debate and give opinions like everyone else.

Basically what you and beneficii are asserting is that anything other than a democrat echo chamber is detrimental to the autism community.


Then rather than send traffic one way be more impartial...I'd say in the literally thousands of posts you have made you have never had anything negative to say about anything remotely right wing but can find something to say about Obama, Hillary, BLM or Antifa.


Why don’t you do what you preach then.


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28 Oct 2019, 2:42 am

beneficii wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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Even Ben Shapiro is now calling for civil war:



So what is this about the left being the violent ones or the left being just as bad?

Of course, right-wingers here will say, "But Kathy Griffin!11" while ignoring the fact that what she did met with nearly universal condemnation from the left as well as the right. But are the right-wingers going to condemn Ben Shapiro and the other right-wing commentators here? If not, then the 2 sides are NOT the same.


I'd like to see those clips in their context. The second one they showed looked like footage I've seen of liberals setting fires in the streets. Also I noticed that in some of the blurbs the footage was jumpy, the voices sounded distorted and and the words were out of sync with mouth movements. I really don't see how you can keep presenting a quasi news program like TYT with a straight face.


OK, I guess this is your way of slipping out of responsibility for condemning calls for violence from the right. This I think accords quite well with you earlier in this thread--I think it was this thread--essentially "warning" Democrats if they do certain things they could face violence.


Every species on this planet will resort to violence to defend themselves as you’d do so.

Saying if you push me too far and try to take mu rights as a human away I’ll defend myself is t a call to violence.

Don’t corner a tiger and expect it to nit attack you.


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28 Oct 2019, 2:45 am

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My brother and nana are both Trump supporters and while I disagree with their support of him, if somebody assaulted my family over their political beliefs I'd want them arrested for it!


Everything is contextual. If your Nana or brother chose to support trump then that's their business.

If they chose to wear MAGA hats and walk into an all black college (like a few white girls tried as a stunt) then that's another matter. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ni ... a-incident

The Covington teens who wore MAGA hats were making a nuisance of themselves harrassing girls and eventually accosting an old native American.

Actually wearing a MAGA hat is now equivalent to wearing a confederate flag
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/21/opin ... index.html


No it’s not


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28 Oct 2019, 3:21 am

sly279 wrote:
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My brother and nana are both Trump supporters and while I disagree with their support of him, if somebody assaulted my family over their political beliefs I'd want them arrested for it!


Everything is contextual. If your Nana or brother chose to support trump then that's their business.

If they chose to wear MAGA hats and walk into an all black college (like a few white girls tried as a stunt) then that's another matter. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ni ... a-incident

The Covington teens who wore MAGA hats were making a nuisance of themselves harrassing girls and eventually accosting an old native American.

Actually wearing a MAGA hat is now equivalent to wearing a confederate flag
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/21/opin ... index.html


No it’s not


Probably not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMwxHTdMfWI



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28 Oct 2019, 3:38 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Tell you what, show me any mainstream media outlets showing those or similar clips.


I thought you considered main stream news to be fake news.


In other words you couldn't find any.



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28 Oct 2019, 3:43 am

cyberdad wrote:
sly279 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
My brother and nana are both Trump supporters and while I disagree with their support of him, if somebody assaulted my family over their political beliefs I'd want them arrested for it!


Everything is contextual. If your Nana or brother chose to support trump then that's their business.

If they chose to wear MAGA hats and walk into an all black college (like a few white girls tried as a stunt) then that's another matter. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ni ... a-incident

The Covington teens who wore MAGA hats were making a nuisance of themselves harrassing girls and eventually accosting an old native American.

Actually wearing a MAGA hat is now equivalent to wearing a confederate flag
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/21/opin ... index.html


No it’s not


Probably not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMwxHTdMfWI


Not a single person accosted that young lady.


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28 Oct 2019, 3:45 am

EzraS wrote:
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Tell you what, show me any mainstream media outlets showing those or similar clips.


I thought you considered main stream news to be fake news.


In other words you couldn't find any.


I actually haven't even checked. This is the first time I've heard about those particular blithering idiots threatening civil war.


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28 Oct 2019, 3:46 am

cyberdad wrote:
sly279 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
My brother and nana are both Trump supporters and while I disagree with their support of him, if somebody assaulted my family over their political beliefs I'd want them arrested for it!


Everything is contextual. If your Nana or brother chose to support trump then that's their business.

If they chose to wear MAGA hats and walk into an all black college (like a few white girls tried as a stunt) then that's another matter. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ni ... a-incident

The Covington teens who wore MAGA hats were making a nuisance of themselves harrassing girls and eventually accosting an old native American.

Actually wearing a MAGA hat is now equivalent to wearing a confederate flag
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/21/opin ... index.html


No it’s not


Probably not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMwxHTdMfWI


I don’t understand how that’s a rebuttal


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28 Oct 2019, 3:53 am

sly279 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
sly279 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
My brother and nana are both Trump supporters and while I disagree with their support of him, if somebody assaulted my family over their political beliefs I'd want them arrested for it!


Everything is contextual. If your Nana or brother chose to support trump then that's their business.

If they chose to wear MAGA hats and walk into an all black college (like a few white girls tried as a stunt) then that's another matter. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ni ... a-incident

The Covington teens who wore MAGA hats were making a nuisance of themselves harrassing girls and eventually accosting an old native American.

Actually wearing a MAGA hat is now equivalent to wearing a confederate flag
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/21/opin ... index.html


No it’s not


Probably not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMwxHTdMfWI


I don’t understand how that’s a rebuttal

I was agreeing with you :roll: