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15 Jul 2024, 11:54 pm

Absolutely nothing about this story makes sense. I am not here to support/endorse trump, nor am I really into conspiracy theories normally. But... There are multiple videos now, from multiple angles, showing:

1. The Secret Service sniper that killed the assassin was watching him through the scope of his gun for quite a while before any shots were fired. When the first shot was fired, he jumps slightly (can't blame him) and then returns fire without turning his own gun at all. It was clearly already aimed at the target, so he knew the target was there. Why the delay? Was he waiting for permission to take the shot? Nervous about killing a man? Ok fine, but in that case why weren't the foot agents beside Trump doing anything to get him off stage?

2. The crowd knew there was a guy with a gun on the roof. Lots of people in the crowd were screaming at the cops and pointing. Some witnesses said this was going on for 5-7 minutes before any shots. And the SS made no attempt to get him off stage.

A lot of other rumours are flying now, with no hard evidence... but the videos of the above points seem pretty damning. Something is not right. I don't buy the official story.



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16 Jul 2024, 12:15 am

Oddism wrote:
1. The Secret Service sniper that killed the assassin was watching him through the scope of his gun for quite a while before any shots were fired. When the first shot was fired, he jumps slightly (can't blame him) and then returns fire without turning his own gun at all. It was clearly already aimed at the target, so he knew the target was there. Why the delay? Was he waiting for permission to take the shot? Nervous about killing a man? Ok fine, but in that case why weren't the foot agents beside Trump doing anything to get him off stage?


Jurisdiction and rules of engagement are likely factors in this.

If you shoot someone with what turns out to be an umbrella you've probably just ruined your career in the SS.


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16 Jul 2024, 1:35 am

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Pity he didn't succeed. would have rid the world of a huge problem. It was so close I could cry!

Apparently the local gun club rejected his application to join because he couldn't shoot straight. In a weird way that decision may have forever changed the course of world history.

reminds me of hitler's rejection by an art school.



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16 Jul 2024, 1:39 am

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Pity he didn't succeed. would have rid the world of a huge problem. It was so close I could cry!

Apparently the local gun club rejected his application to join because he couldn't shoot straight. In a weird way that decision may have forever changed the course of world history.

reminds me of hitler's rejection by an art school.


All except Hitler was a competent painter.


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16 Jul 2024, 1:43 am

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All except Hitler was a competent painter.

am not an art expert myself, but multiple artists i've known over the years have told me that he was a mediocre painter with a skewed sense of perspective.



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16 Jul 2024, 2:12 am

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All except Hitler was a competent painter.

am not an art expert myself, but multiple artists i've known over the years have told me that he was a mediocre painter with a skewed sense of perspective.


I can't say I'd include a skewed sense of perspective among what I'd consider informed takes.

Usually the criticisms I've encountered are more along the lines of:

They are architect's sketches: painful and precise draftsmanship; nothing more. No wonder the Vienna professors told him to go to an architectural school and give up pure art as hopeless

And: One modern art critic was asked in 2002 to review some of Hitler's paintings without being told who painted them. He said they were quite good, but that the different style in which he drew human figures represented a profound lack of interest in people.

But, why quote other people when we both have eyes:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paintings_by_Adolf_Hitler


You know how some paintings have meaning? What I see here is someone who'd respond to a question about what does the painting mean to him as an artist with hvat'duyewmean? It's *info dump about the building's history* and never be able to offer an actual answer to the question that was asked.

I'd say he understands perspective fairly well, but seems to mechanically reproduce landscapes and buildings.


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16 Jul 2024, 2:37 am

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I'd say he understands perspective fairly well, but seems to mechanically reproduce landscapes and buildings.

If his father had money he could have trained as an architect. His close relationship with Albert Speer and Leni Rifenstahl suggest he maintained his personal interest in art/design.



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16 Jul 2024, 2:40 am

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1. The Secret Service sniper that killed the assassin was watching him through the scope of his gun for quite a while before any shots were fired. When the first shot was fired, he jumps slightly (can't blame him) and then returns fire without turning his own gun at all.


Interesting, I would have thought a Sniper could disarm with an accurate shot without killing,



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16 Jul 2024, 4:30 am

funeralxempire wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:

All except Hitler was a competent painter.

am not an art expert myself, but multiple artists i've known over the years have told me that he was a mediocre painter with a skewed sense of perspective.


I can't say I'd include a skewed sense of perspective among what I'd consider informed takes.

Usually the criticisms I've encountered are more along the lines of:

They are architect's sketches: painful and precise draftsmanship; nothing more. No wonder the Vienna professors told him to go to an architectural school and give up pure art as hopeless

And: One modern art critic was asked in 2002 to review some of Hitler's paintings without being told who painted them. He said they were quite good, but that the different style in which he drew human figures represented a profound lack of interest in people.

But, why quote other people when we both have eyes:

Image

Image

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paintings_by_Adolf_Hitler


You know how some paintings have meaning? What I see here is someone who'd respond to a question about what does the painting mean to him as an artist with hvat'duyewmean? It's *info dump about the building's history* and never be able to offer an actual answer to the question that was asked.

I'd say he understands perspective fairly well, but seems to mechanically reproduce landscapes and buildings.


Not to get off track, but regarding Hitler:
While he wasn't a bad painter, he refused to get with the times, which was all about experimentation with Dadaism, Cubism, and Surrealism. He figured if the art schools didn't like his paintings, which were more classical and from another time, they could go pound salt. Well, no, they just didn't have to enroll him. Small wonder he had the kind of art he refused to even consider labeled Degenerate Art.


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16 Jul 2024, 10:52 am

funeralxempire wrote:
Oddism wrote:
1. The Secret Service sniper that killed the assassin was watching him through the scope of his gun for quite a while before any shots were fired. When the first shot was fired, he jumps slightly (can't blame him) and then returns fire without turning his own gun at all. It was clearly already aimed at the target, so he knew the target was there. Why the delay? Was he waiting for permission to take the shot? Nervous about killing a man? Ok fine, but in that case why weren't the foot agents beside Trump doing anything to get him off stage?


Jurisdiction and rules of engagement are likely factors in this.

If you shoot someone with what turns out to be an umbrella you've probably just ruined your career in the SS.


Have found rules of engagement are generally used as a cover up for murder of one type or another .
Especially regarding a Presidential person. Believe Presidential security is Paramount in this country . Have seen
much lower level law enforcement fabricate circumstances to justify a homicide "1st hand " .
The incompitency level of the secret service in this issue . imho . was planned . These folks are trained to act at the least hint of threat, as I understand it. :roll: .[Think this through please , ] if your country has a Satillite system that can read license plates from Outter Space. Then wouldn't security enforcement use them for keeping the President safe.? :roll: Then add police drones, Secret service , FBI , NSA, Special Snipers ,This situation just stinks . The question is how did this guy get radicalized?
And why is this pattern of evidence not getting any media attention?????


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16 Jul 2024, 11:52 am

A Secret Service f**kup that I do not believe has been brought up here but I have seen others note. When they picked up Trump they should have taking him out via the back. The way they carried him to the ambulance left him vulnerable to a potential second shooter.


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16 Jul 2024, 1:04 pm

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He had the typical profile of a school mass shooter. He probably was planning on shooting up his highschool, and taking out 20 classmates. But then Trump came to town...so he changed his plans and opted to take out one big fish instead of
20 small fish. If it had been Biden speaking there and then he woulda shot Biden. Like the Columbine Shooters he just wanted to commit suicide and take out others with him in a blaze of glory. Ideology likely had little or nothing to do with it.

I think Kraichie is suggesting after taking out trump he might have targetted his bullies (had he survived). Weird thing is , his school bullies can thank their lucky stars trump came to town, otherwise their goose was cooked.

So you're a psychic who can read K's mind?


This was not a Hollywood movie. Its real life. Real life doesnt work that way.

In real life if you gun for a POTUS, or a potential future POTUS, you're dead meat. Either they instantly kill you on the scene (as per Crooks) or they instantly grab you alive (like Hinckley )...in which case you're still in for a life time of time (Hinckley was lucky enough to get soft time in the looney bin but he was still doing life).

In a Hollywood movie you could plug the future president, and THEN have time to hunt down each of your high school bullies. IRL you could never walk away unscathed and have time for such a time consuming mission before they finally got you. So its one or the other. POTUS or your schoolmates.

In real life gunning for the POTUS is a form of suicide by cop, so most lone wolf individuals who attempt it are really doing just that. That was my point. Not all but most. So politics may not have much to do with it.



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16 Jul 2024, 3:20 pm

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funeralxempire wrote:
I'd say he understands perspective fairly well, but seems to mechanically reproduce landscapes and buildings.

If his father had money he could have trained as an architect. His close relationship with Albert Speer and Leni Rifenstahl suggest he maintained his personal interest in art/design.


His father, though, was an unimaginative bully who saw the arts as an effeminate waste of time. He wanted Adolf to follow in his footsteps as a civil servant.


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16 Jul 2024, 4:30 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
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I'd say he understands perspective fairly well, but seems to mechanically reproduce landscapes and buildings.

If his father had money he could have trained as an architect. His close relationship with Albert Speer and Leni Rifenstahl suggest he maintained his personal interest in art/design.


His father, though, was an unimaginative bully who saw the arts as an effeminate waste of time. He wanted Adolf to follow in his footsteps as a civil servant.

Yes his father used to beat him/belittle him too so I guess Adolph Snr contributed to making him the man he would become.



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16 Jul 2024, 4:33 pm

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In a Hollywood movie you could plug the future president, and THEN have time to hunt down each of your high school bullies. IRL you could never walk away unscathed and have time for such a time consuming mission before they finally got you. So its one or the other. POTUS or your schoolmates.


Yes his script doesn't quite follow the classic bullied shooter does it. I wonder if his bullies were trump supporters? another classmate claimed there were students in his (Crooks) class who were full on MAGA (like dear little Nick Sandmann).



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16 Jul 2024, 4:34 pm

auntblabby wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:

All except Hitler was a competent painter.

am not an art expert myself, but multiple artists i've known over the years have told me that he was a mediocre painter with a skewed sense of perspective.

Yes, he was nothing to write home about, but he could paint. If he hadn't gone on to take control of Germany and order the death of all those people in concentration camps, nobody would remember the artwork.

So, competent is probably appropriate, so is mediocre.