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28 Oct 2019, 3:57 am

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My brother and nana are both Trump supporters and while I disagree with their support of him, if somebody assaulted my family over their political beliefs I'd want them arrested for it!


Everything is contextual. If your Nana or brother chose to support trump then that's their business.

If they chose to wear MAGA hats and walk into an all black college (like a few white girls tried as a stunt) then that's another matter. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ni ... a-incident

The Covington teens who wore MAGA hats were making a nuisance of themselves harrassing girls and eventually accosting an old native American.

Actually wearing a MAGA hat is now equivalent to wearing a confederate flag
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/21/opin ... index.html


No it’s not


Probably not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMwxHTdMfWI


Not a single person accosted that young lady.


I think Americans are too polite to accost a young woman wearing Trump paraphernalia. The two young female Trump supporters who entered a HBCU with MAGA hats did get stared at but again nobody felt compelled to accost them there either.

Just goes to show that we lefties are soft hearted



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28 Oct 2019, 4:14 am

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Tell you what, show me any mainstream media outlets showing those or similar clips.


I thought you considered main stream news to be fake news.


In other words you couldn't find any.


I actually haven't even checked. This is the first time I've heard about those particular blithering idiots threatening civil war.


Any similar clips will do. Or perhaps it's not really an issue since apparently no one else except a youtube channel is covering it.



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28 Oct 2019, 4:25 am

EzraS wrote:
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Tell you what, show me any mainstream media outlets showing those or similar clips.


I thought you considered main stream news to be fake news.


In other words you couldn't find any.


I actually haven't even checked. This is the first time I've heard about those particular blithering idiots threatening civil war.


Any similar clips will do. Or perhaps it's not really an issue since apparently no one else except a youtube channel is covering it.


Maybe when I don't think I'm just spinning my wheels with arguing.


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28 Oct 2019, 7:16 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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When the American Civil War happened, was the Union or the Confederacy more violent? Did it really matter in the end when they reached the breaking point of willing to slaughter each other in one of the bloodiest wars in US history?


The point of this thread is to discuss Trump supporters threatening violence, and the reluctance of the right to condemn them for these threats. The left does condemn others on the left who threaten violence. The left, aside from a few nutcases we condemn, emphatically does NOT want violence.

So aside from a few nutcases who have little to no support from the rest of the left, the left is neither ready nor willing to fight a civil war.

The issue is the right, which frequently passes around conspiracy theories (like the FEMA camps conspiracy that came out a few years ago), and which encourages stockpiling weapons to use against government agents. They are tacitly being encouraged by President Trump and there is not much condemnation from the right against them.

So I don't think your analogy works here.


You claim that the left does not want violence and yet I find articles about people being assaulted for wearing MAGA hats in public.

https://nypost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v ... -pop-up%2F

https://amp-usatoday-com.cdn.ampproject ... 1206002%2F


I think the feeling among most is that wearing a MEGA hat is a good way to get assaulted.


I hate Trump, and I don't like most Trump supporters because many of the ones I have met are indeed bigots and jerks. But that's no excuse for assualting somebody over their political beliefs.

My brother and nana are both Trump supporters and while I disagree with their support of him, if somebody assaulted my family over their political beliefs I'd want them arrested for it!


Personally, I don't think most Trump voters are violent, and yes, I agree anyone who assaults them should be arrested and prosecuted. But those Trump supporters who are violent should be treated the exact same way.


I agree, BOTH sides need to be arrested and held accountable if they act violent towards the other side.



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28 Oct 2019, 7:48 am

How does an individual threaten civil war anyways?

There's going to be a civil war I say. We're mad as hell and we're not gonna take it anymore. Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

There I did it. Does that mean anything is going to happen? Of course not.



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28 Oct 2019, 7:53 am

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How does an individual threaten civil war anyways?

There's going to be a civil war I say. We're mad as hell and we're not gonna take it anymore. Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

There I did it. Does that mean anything is going to happen? Of course not.


Of course one person cannot threaten civil war, but when more people over time start to talk about wanting civil war that's when things start to get a little scary.

So far in addition to our very own president threatening war we have had a reverand (whom Trump quoted on twitter), an umpire, and a militia group called The Oath Keepers. :|



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28 Oct 2019, 7:54 am

I work at a “liberal” college in a “liberal” city.

Nobody is talking about civil war. Most people stay away from politics.

They have too much work to do towards getting their degrees and making friends.

It’s not like it was in the 60s.



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28 Oct 2019, 7:57 am

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I work at a “liberal” college in a “liberal” city.

Nobody is talking about civil war. Most people stay away from politics.

They have too much work to do towards getting their degrees and making friends.

It’s not like it was in the 60s.


And here's the scary thing. I live in a very conservative town where I have heard people mention it.

If a war got started I have no doubt it'll be the conservatives who initiate it. I don't think the liberals actually want a civil war. But there are some Trump supporters saying they want it. That makes me nervous.

Even if we don't get an actual war, it may lead to a violent riot or revolt of some kind. :|



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28 Oct 2019, 8:06 am

Sure. There will be demonstrations. Some of these will turn violent.

The violence will be committed by yahoos on both sides.

This is not the 60s, though.



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28 Oct 2019, 8:07 am

TW1ZTY wrote:
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How does an individual threaten civil war anyways?

There's going to be a civil war I say. We're mad as hell and we're not gonna take it anymore. Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

There I did it. Does that mean anything is going to happen? Of course not.


Of course one person cannot threaten civil war, but when more people over time start to talk about wanting civil war that's when things start to get a little scary.

So far in addition to our very own president threatening war we have had a reverand (whom Trump quoted on twitter), an umpire, and a militia group called The Oath Keepers. :|


Yeah not exactly shaking in my boots yet.



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28 Oct 2019, 8:09 am

I'm expecting threats of civil war to turn out like Storm Area 51.



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28 Oct 2019, 8:19 am

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I'm expecting threats of civil war to turn out like Storm Area 51.


Some dude will grab his Brown Bess Musket and Naruto Run at Washington?


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28 Oct 2019, 11:07 am

I think I just figured out an alternative meaning of MAGA: Make All Gringos Attack



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28 Oct 2019, 3:48 pm

You all act like civil wars are bad. But if trump say banned free speech and right to own arms to democrats I’d bet you’d all rise up and be pro civil war.

So no when it’s your side trying to control and take rights away of course you like how dare those peasants talk of rising up against us.

Funny how you supported the Muslim spring uprising. Support uprising in South America.
So seems that you don’t dislike civil wars, unless their against you and your causes.

I don’t think we are there yet but if Democrats keep pushing policies they pushing and getting more and more extreme then yes we will prob have a civil war. A lot of people aren’t just going surrender their rights without a fight. Americans don’t like being controlled or told what they can’t do. Ban alcohol and people went and bought it. When they try to ban guns people who never owned a gun went and bought one saying” I didn’t want one until they told me I couldn’t have one”

We aren’t not the peasant society of Europe. We are the frontiersmen society who rose up against said society of Europe and won our freedom through blood.

People don’t want to fight but if you give them no other choice most will.
So here’s a suggestion don’t push people to the point they have no other choice. Leave peopLes rights alone. Otherwise don’t be surprise when the cornered scared dog bites your hand.


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28 Oct 2019, 3:50 pm

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You all act like civil wars are bad.


WTF is this supposed to mean?


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28 Oct 2019, 4:38 pm

Kiprobalhato wrote:
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You all act like civil wars are bad.


WTF is this supposed to mean?

Was the civil war to end slavery bad? Is a civil war to end a dictatorship bad?

Civil wars are usually done to end bad things.
There’s always a reason civil wars happen some kind of big issue that causes tension to erupt into fighting.
Do you support people in Middle East fighting for their freedom? Do you support people in Africa, or South America fighting for theirs? Do you supoort Taiwan? What about Tebet?
If so then you support civil wars. Humans are a horrible species and sometimes the only way to bring good change is bloodshed, if not change doesn’t happen.

More recent and ongoing is Korea. Should South Korea not fought a civil war and just rolled over to Kim’s grand dad? Twain is in civil war too with China, one that stretches back to pre ww2.

Civil wars are almost always for good. Not to say the deaths and violence are but they are unfortunately needed in such situations where one side doesn’t care about the others voices and will.

Forgot about the balks civil war where one side was doing genocide cause they wanted the other to do what they say.

Wars aren’t always bad. To say anyone who resorts to war is bad is naive.


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