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16 Jul 2024, 4:59 pm

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All except Hitler was a competent painter.

am not an art expert myself, but multiple artists i've known over the years have told me that he was a mediocre painter with a skewed sense of perspective.


Hitler is a "success story" for an abused child, failed artist and became the greatest murderer in history.



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16 Jul 2024, 5:08 pm

THOMAS MATTHEW CROOKS SEEN GETTING BULLIED IN SCHOOL ... Newly Surfaced Video

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Thomas Matthew Crooks was filmed on camera a few years ago while he was in high school -- and the footage, which has surfaced online, shows him being hassled in class by another student. TMC is sitting at his desk ... and you can see somebody yanking on his pant leg.

The person who's tugging at his pants seems to be trying to straight up pull him out of his seat -- and although it looks playful in nature ... you can even hear someone off-camera saying "stop" repeatedly.

It seems like that person is Thomas himself ... and he later notes that his leg is being bothered. There are other people who can be heard on camera laughing at all this.


Would-be Trump assassin Thomas Crooks was nicknamed ‘the school shooter,’ teased for body odor and hygiene: classmate
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The 20-year-old who shot and injured former President Donald Trump was nicknamed “the school shooter” in high school and teased over his bad hygiene, a classmate said.

While attending his first year at Bethel Park High School, would-be Trump assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks became “an easy target” for bullies who would pick on the often lonely teen, Julianna Grooms, 19, told the New York Times.

“Those other kids would always say, ‘Hey, look at the school shooter over there!’” Grooms recalled.

“They would tease him about his poor hygiene, his body odor. He was an easy target,” she added.

Grooms said Crooks definitely stood out as a freshman, wearing wide-legged jeans and SpongeBob SquarePants T-shirts.

Like others who knew him at the time, Grooms said Crooks liked to keep to himself and would want to avoid the spotlight whenever possible.

Others, however, have disputed the claim, including former Bethel Park school counselor Jim Knapp, who did not recall any instances of Crooks being bullied or receiving cruel nicknames.

After being bullied, Crooks abandoned his SpongeBob shirts for more neutral clothes, sometimes opting to wear camouflage or hunting outfits.

Grooms said the new outfits didn’t stand out as much in a region where hunting is so popular that the school had a rifle club, which Crooks tried out for but was rejected for being a “comically bad” shot, former classmates told The Post.


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16 Jul 2024, 5:14 pm

Like Kraichie said, monsters are created. the toxic bullies helped create the shooter he became. I bet the little cowards would be asking mommy and daddy to hire a lawyer to hide their identities.



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16 Jul 2024, 9:18 pm

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In a Hollywood movie you could plug the future president, and THEN have time to hunt down each of your high school bullies. IRL you could never walk away unscathed and have time for such a time consuming mission before they finally got you. So its one or the other. POTUS or your schoolmates.


Yes his script doesn't quite follow the classic bullied shooter does it. I wonder if his bullies were trump supporters? another classmate claimed there were students in his (Crooks) class who were full on MAGA (like dear little Nick Sandmann).


It's been reported his family had Trump yard signs.


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16 Jul 2024, 10:24 pm

Seems from what I hear the perpetrator had right wing views...but seems they have not figured out a motive for exactly why he shot at trump.


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16 Jul 2024, 10:42 pm

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Seems from what I hear the perpetrator had right wing views...but seems they have not figured out a motive for exactly why he shot at trump.


I suspect someone like that is so self absorbed with their own inner turmoil and hatreds. It doesn't make sense to most sane people.


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16 Jul 2024, 10:48 pm

yet another sad misfit man gone postal, in our ableist culture that produces so many of them.



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16 Jul 2024, 11:33 pm

I wonder if the punk knew Trump survived, before they took him out.
Maybe he died thinking he was successful.


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17 Jul 2024, 2:10 am

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I suspect someone like that is so self absorbed with their own inner turmoil and hatreds. It doesn't make sense to most sane people.

Apparently no intel on his thoughts/mindset from either his phone or computer. Looks like Crooks will be taking his secrets to the grave.

Some disparity between what his parents say and what kids in his class say about him though.



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17 Jul 2024, 2:13 am

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I wonder if the punk knew Trump survived, before they took him out.
Maybe he died thinking he was successful.

He was actually quite methodical in his planning. He came within a whisker of achieving his aims. He must have known he was going to get mowed down by secret service. Probably wanted to leave earth with his name in the history books.



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17 Jul 2024, 3:28 am

Interesting in a Subsequent appearance...Trump is seen wearing a big 4x4 patch , perfectly cut into a precise square
on his ear .like a white flag..Making sure that his weund gets maximun attn in the vids . having worked in the heslthcare industry. There ARE bandaides, that do not appear so obvious .....guess its just me , but I am thinking , he us milking the situation in order to make themselves appear more attention worthy...?


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17 Jul 2024, 4:14 am

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1. The Secret Service sniper that killed the assassin was watching him through the scope of his gun for quite a while before any shots were fired. When the first shot was fired, he jumps slightly (can't blame him) and then returns fire without turning his own gun at all. It was clearly already aimed at the target, so he knew the target was there. Why the delay? Was he waiting for permission to take the shot? Nervous about killing a man? Ok fine, but in that case why weren't the foot agents beside Trump doing anything to get him off stage?


Jurisdiction and rules of engagement are likely factors in this.

If you shoot someone with what turns out to be an umbrella you've probably just ruined your career in the SS.


Have found rules of engagement are generally used as a cover up for murder of one type or another .
Especially regarding a Presidential person. Believe Presidential security is Paramount in this country . Have seen
much lower level law enforcement fabricate circumstances to justify a homicide "1st hand " .
The incompitency level of the secret service in this issue . imho . was planned . These folks are trained to act at the least hint of threat, as I understand it. :roll: .[Think this through please , ] if your country has a Satillite system that can read license plates from Outter Space. Then wouldn't security enforcement use them for keeping the President safe.? :roll: Then add police drones, Secret service , FBI , NSA, Special Snipers ,This situation just stinks . The question is how did this guy get radicalized?
And why is this pattern of evidence not getting any media attention?????


While I agree with your general idea that sometimes RoE are used to justify use of force that might have been applied too aggressively, in this case they likely had the opposite effect and delayed what was ultimately a justified use of force.

Literally all rules of engagement refers to is the guidelines someone who might be authorized to use deadly force has to follow before they're allowed to escalate to deadly force.

Ultimately if someone cites RoE to defend a questionable use of force they're moving the responsibility up the chain of command and hoping to pass the buck when questions of discretion are asked.

This is an example of how hard is might be to provide perfect RoE, given that one can't perfectly predict how a use of force situation will unfold. It's also an example of how the general public expects use of force to never occur before it needs to be but also expects it to be immediate as soon as (and with hindsight that obvious didn't exist in the moment) it's understood that use of force was necessary.


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17 Jul 2024, 5:19 am

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yet another sad misfit man gone postal, in our ableist culture that produces so many of them.


Yeah, the dude got his associate's degree in engineering from a local community college with high honours in May, and was planning to attend uni this autumn (Robert Morris University) yet wasted his life (and the guy he killed) on Donald Trump. What a waste of potential. :?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-up ... =111974110


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17 Jul 2024, 5:41 am

No evidence he had plans or manifesto. Just woke up one morning and decided to die and take trump with him.



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17 Jul 2024, 7:21 am

cyberdad wrote:
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In a Hollywood movie you could plug the future president, and THEN have time to hunt down each of your high school bullies. IRL you could never walk away unscathed and have time for such a time consuming mission before they finally got you. So its one or the other. POTUS or your schoolmates.


Yes his script doesn't quite follow the classic bullied shooter does it. I wonder if his bullies were trump supporters? another classmate claimed there were students in his (Crooks) class who were full on MAGA (like dear little Nick Sandmann).

What are you talking about?

His script DOES follow it.



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17 Jul 2024, 2:38 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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In a Hollywood movie you could plug the future president, and THEN have time to hunt down each of your high school bullies. IRL you could never walk away unscathed and have time for such a time consuming mission before they finally got you. So its one or the other. POTUS or your schoolmates.


Yes his script doesn't quite follow the classic bullied shooter does it. I wonder if his bullies were trump supporters? another classmate claimed there were students in his (Crooks) class who were full on MAGA (like dear little Nick Sandmann).


It's been reported his family had Trump yard signs.