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29 Oct 2019, 12:53 am
29 Oct 2019, 1:17 am
TW1ZTY wrote:
Anybody here watch Gone With the Wind? Gooood movie. 
If they made a film glorifying the romanticism of nazi death camps then sure...it would be great
https://www.thewrap.com/film-critic-cal ... us-racism/
29 Oct 2019, 1:39 am
29 Oct 2019, 1:49 am
cyberdad wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Anybody here watch Gone With the Wind? Gooood movie.
If they made a film glorifying the romanticism of nazi death camps then sure...it would be great
https://www.thewrap.com/film-critic-cal ... us-racism/
I don't understand where snowflakes get the idea that this movie glorified slavery? The movie itself showed how sh***y southerners were and served as a commentary on the Old South's rampant narcissism which led to their eventual downfall and destruction.
The bright pretty and colorful hoop skirts did not mask what truly horrid people that southerners were.
But the beauty behind the movie was that yes the characters were all horrid people (including Rhett and Scarlett) but they were still people. Like it our not just because people in the south had slaves that did not make then any less human than you. Same goes for the Nazis.
Humans do terrible things to other humans all the time.
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29 Oct 2019, 1:58 am
funeralxempire
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29 Oct 2019, 1:58 am
TW1ZTY wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
sly279 wrote:
You all act like civil wars are bad.
WTF is this supposed to mean?
Was the civil war to end slavery bad? Is a civil war to end a dictatorship bad?
Civil wars are usually done to end bad things.
There’s always a reason civil wars happen some kind of big issue that causes tension to erupt into fighting.
Do you support people in Middle East fighting for their freedom? Do you support people in Africa, or South America fighting for theirs? Do you supoort Taiwan? What about Tebet?
If so then you support civil wars. Humans are a horrible species and sometimes the only way to bring good change is bloodshed, if not change doesn’t happen.
More recent and ongoing is Korea. Should South Korea not fought a civil war and just rolled over to Kim’s grand dad? Twain is in civil war too with China, one that stretches back to pre ww2.
Civil wars are almost always for good. Not to say the deaths and violence are but they are unfortunately needed in such situations where one side doesn’t care about the others voices and will.
Forgot about the balks civil war where one side was doing genocide cause they wanted the other to do what they say.
Wars aren’t always bad. To say anyone who resorts to war is bad is naive.
The plantation oligarchs who had started the American Civil War hardly were fighting to end slavery. In fact, their motives were the exact opposite.
Are you saying the Union didn’t fight to end slavery cause in past you say they did?
If the union took the civil wars are bad policy they’d left the south to leave and not sought a civil war to bring them back.
Taiwan wouldn’t keep fighting for freedom and South Korea would surrendered without firing a shot.
Yes, the Union did free the slaves. But it was the Confederacy that had started the war. That was my point.
Nope union started it by refusing to accept the southern states left and that confederate states existed. And by your logic they should have ask acknowledged them as a nation and pulled all their troops out , cause civil wars are bad.
The confederates opened fire on Fort Sumter, which made the conflict go from a political disagreement to a war - although one could fairly state that the war started when numerous traitor states declared their intentions to secede to protect the institution of slavery (as was explicitly noted in many of the letters of secession). Don't fall for Lost Cause revisionist history - the traitors have been trying to rewrite the history of the War of Southern Treachery since they lost it.
How come nobody ever acknowledges the fact that the yankee doodle Americans commited treason against the British Empire during the American Revolution? I guess it was ok for the original 13 colonies to be traitors but wrong for the south for one reason only: they won and we lost.
And before you get so rightous about the slavery thing, don't ever forget that the Union was guilty of commiting genocide and oppression against the indigenous people here - both before and long after the Civil War.
As a Canadian I have no problem describing the American Founding Fathers as traitors and saying Benedict Arnold wasn't a traitor, he merely remembered his loyalties.
I'm also well aware of US government policies towards indigenous people.
29 Oct 2019, 2:01 am
funeralxempire wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
sly279 wrote:
You all act like civil wars are bad.
WTF is this supposed to mean?
Was the civil war to end slavery bad? Is a civil war to end a dictatorship bad?
Civil wars are usually done to end bad things.
There’s always a reason civil wars happen some kind of big issue that causes tension to erupt into fighting.
Do you support people in Middle East fighting for their freedom? Do you support people in Africa, or South America fighting for theirs? Do you supoort Taiwan? What about Tebet?
If so then you support civil wars. Humans are a horrible species and sometimes the only way to bring good change is bloodshed, if not change doesn’t happen.
More recent and ongoing is Korea. Should South Korea not fought a civil war and just rolled over to Kim’s grand dad? Twain is in civil war too with China, one that stretches back to pre ww2.
Civil wars are almost always for good. Not to say the deaths and violence are but they are unfortunately needed in such situations where one side doesn’t care about the others voices and will.
Forgot about the balks civil war where one side was doing genocide cause they wanted the other to do what they say.
Wars aren’t always bad. To say anyone who resorts to war is bad is naive.
The plantation oligarchs who had started the American Civil War hardly were fighting to end slavery. In fact, their motives were the exact opposite.
Are you saying the Union didn’t fight to end slavery cause in past you say they did?
If the union took the civil wars are bad policy they’d left the south to leave and not sought a civil war to bring them back.
Taiwan wouldn’t keep fighting for freedom and South Korea would surrendered without firing a shot.
Yes, the Union did free the slaves. But it was the Confederacy that had started the war. That was my point.
Nope union started it by refusing to accept the southern states left and that confederate states existed. And by your logic they should have ask acknowledged them as a nation and pulled all their troops out , cause civil wars are bad.
The confederates opened fire on Fort Sumter, which made the conflict go from a political disagreement to a war - although one could fairly state that the war started when numerous traitor states declared their intentions to secede to protect the institution of slavery (as was explicitly noted in many of the letters of secession). Don't fall for Lost Cause revisionist history - the traitors have been trying to rewrite the history of the War of Southern Treachery since they lost it.
How come nobody ever acknowledges the fact that the yankee doodle Americans commited treason against the British Empire during the American Revolution? I guess it was ok for the original 13 colonies to be traitors but wrong for the south for one reason only: they won and we lost.
And before you get so rightous about the slavery thing, don't ever forget that the Union was guilty of commiting genocide and oppression against the indigenous people here - both before and long after the Civil War.
As a Canadian I have no problem describing the American Founding Fathers as traitors and saying Benedict Arnold wasn't a traitor, he merely remembered his loyalties.
I'm also well aware of US government policies towards indigenous people.
Ok, so yeah! If the south had actually won the Civil War we would not be remembered as traitors.
"History is written by the victors using the blood of the fallen."
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29 Oct 2019, 2:06 am
TW1ZTY wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Anybody here watch Gone With the Wind? Gooood movie.
If they made a film glorifying the romanticism of nazi death camps then sure...it would be great
https://www.thewrap.com/film-critic-cal ... us-racism/
I don't understand where snowflakes get the idea that this movie glorified slavery? The movie itself showed how sh***y southerners were and served as a commentary on the Old South's rampant narcissism which led to their eventual downfall and destruction.
The bright pretty and colorful hoop skirts did not mask what truly horrid people that southerners were.
But the beauty behind the movie was that yes the characters were all horrid people (including Rhett and Scarlett) but they were still people. Like it our not just because people in the south had slaves that did not make then any less human than you. Same goes for the Nazis.
Humans do terrible things to other humans all the time.
One movie you may be interested in is Free State Of Jones, involving a guerrilla band of Confederate deserters and escaped slaves under the leadership of Newton Knight, who had carried out non-stop warfare against the Confederacy within it's borders. Knight was a poor southerner who was tired of fighting a war started by rich men whose sons didn't have to fight and die for it, and so he took up arms against the rebel government. After the war, he did his part for Radical Reconstruction, and to show you that he practiced what he preached, he married a black woman and escaped slave when it was illegal, and still has mixed race descendants in Mississippi.
29 Oct 2019, 2:09 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Anybody here watch Gone With the Wind? Gooood movie.
If they made a film glorifying the romanticism of nazi death camps then sure...it would be great
https://www.thewrap.com/film-critic-cal ... us-racism/
I don't understand where snowflakes get the idea that this movie glorified slavery? The movie itself showed how sh***y southerners were and served as a commentary on the Old South's rampant narcissism which led to their eventual downfall and destruction.
The bright pretty and colorful hoop skirts did not mask what truly horrid people that southerners were.
But the beauty behind the movie was that yes the characters were all horrid people (including Rhett and Scarlett) but they were still people. Like it our not just because people in the south had slaves that did not make then any less human than you. Same goes for the Nazis.
Humans do terrible things to other humans all the time.
One movie you may be interested in is Free State Of Jones, involving a guerrilla band of Confederate deserters and escaped slaves under the leadership of Newton Knight, who had carried out non-stop warfare against the Confederacy within it's borders. Knight was a poor southerner who was tired of fighting a war started by rich men whose sons didn't have to fight and die for it, and so he took up arms against the rebel government. After the war, he did his part for Radical Reconstruction, and to show you that he practiced what he preached, he married a black woman and escaped slave when it was illegal, and still has mixed race descendants in Mississippi.
Hmm, to be honest I'm not really into war movies of any kind. I find all wars stupid. The main reason I liked Gone With the Wind was because it focused primarily on the women left behind during a war while their men were off fighting. I find that much more relatable...
29 Oct 2019, 2:27 am
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29 Oct 2019, 2:52 am
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29 Oct 2019, 3:23 am
Oh wait, I forgot. It's not considered a war crime if you actually win the war. 
29 Oct 2019, 3:44 am
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