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29 Oct 2019, 3:54 am

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Oh and here's a list of other Union war crimes. So don't flatter yourself into thinking that only the Confederates were evil.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor ... war_crimes


Yeah these don't warrant a mention as they involve 1-9 deaths in each incident.

Compare that to 250+ black soldiers singled out of the union forces and killed in one sitting. That's on par with Nazi death squads for sheer ferocity.



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29 Oct 2019, 4:05 am

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Oh and here's a list of other Union war crimes. So don't flatter yourself into thinking that only the Confederates were evil.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor ... war_crimes


Yeah these don't warrant a mention as they involve 1-9 deaths in each incident.

Compare that to 250+ black soldiers singled out of the union forces and killed in one sitting. That's on par with Nazi death squads for sheer ferocity.



https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/10/07 ... trocities/

Or the countless undocumented southern civilians like women and children who were left homeless, starving to death, and exposed to diseases and the elements by Sherman's army because the Union invaded the south and we recieved the most damage from the war. Even people who did not support slavery like the Minneonites had their property and their lives destroyed.

There's no telling how many civilians in the south died from that. Compared to those comtemptable yankee civies who decided to have a picnic during the first battle of the Civil War like a fun show of slaughter and then went crying back home up north once the violence reached their picnic spot. :roll:

https://www-history-com.cdn.ampproject. ... ted-by-war

This is why I think yankees are all the same.

Edit: And I find it amusing how the leftists claim that they are so noble as to accept responsability for any misdeeds they do when they can't even accept the fact that the Union they support during the American Civil War was being very atrocious and cruel by going around attacking women and children and burning everything to the ground because it's not PC enough to fit into their textbook liberal agenda.

These same liberal-types think it was wrong for us Americans to imprison Japanese citizens in internment camps and destroy their cities during World War 2, but somehow it was heroic to do the exact same things to the south? Talk about a double standard. :roll:



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29 Oct 2019, 7:56 am

My point is even if the south was wrong for having slavery (which they were), what the north did to us was cruel, sadistic and unforgivable. Any contempt that southerners feel for the northern "yankees" was well-earned.

You can't just invade somebody's territory, attack their families and destroy their homes, and expect those people to not be angry about it because you decide that they 'deserved it'.



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29 Oct 2019, 9:58 am

the south never stood a chance. not a chance in hell they were going to beat the union.


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29 Oct 2019, 10:19 am

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the south never stood a chance. not a chance in hell they were going to beat the union.

So that's the excuse for attacking civilian women and children in the south? :roll:

Attitudes like that are exactly why I hate this country sometimes. Americans act like they are so high and mighty when it comes to having morals in war and yet they are completely unapologetic for their own war crimes that they always get away with.



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29 Oct 2019, 10:19 am

Let me tell you something: the South came mighty close.

Until about 1864, the Civil War was definitely not a foregone conclusion. Before Gettysburg, the Confederacy probably had the overall advantage.



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29 Oct 2019, 10:20 am

@TW1ZTY

of course not.

just sayin'.


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29 Oct 2019, 10:27 am

TW1ZTY wrote:
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the south never stood a chance. not a chance in hell they were going to beat the union.

So that's the excuse for attacking civilian women and children in the south? :roll:

Attitudes like that are exactly why I hate this country sometimes. Americans act like they are so high and mighty when it comes to having morals in war and yet they are completely unapologetic for their own war crimes that they always get away with.


Maybe the idea of attacking the children came from reading A Modest Proposal and the idea that eating children would help with global warming?



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29 Oct 2019, 10:32 am

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the south never stood a chance. not a chance in hell they were going to beat the union.

So that's the excuse for attacking civilian women and children in the south? :roll:

Attitudes like that are exactly why I hate this country sometimes. Americans act like they are so high and mighty when it comes to having morals in war and yet they are completely unapologetic for their own war crimes that they always get away with.


Maybe the idea of attacking the children came from reading A Modest Proposal and the idea that eating children would help with global warming?


Yeah!

Wait... wut? :?



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29 Oct 2019, 10:34 am

"A Modest Proposal" has nothing to do with the South.

It was a satire written by Jonathan Swift about Ireland about 1700 or so. Maybe a little before 1700; maybe a little after.

He was lambasting England for its treatment of Ireland.



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29 Oct 2019, 10:36 am

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@TW1ZTY

of course not.

just sayin'.


And I'm just sayin' Americans have always been karma houdinis when it comes to their own war crimes they commit in every war including the civil war. Must be another reason why I don't believe in karma, and I sure as hell don't buy into the white savior northerner BS.



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29 Oct 2019, 10:37 am

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And I'm just sayin' Americans have always been karma houdinis when ot comes to war crimes they commit in every war including the civil war. Must be another reason why I don't believe in karma, and I sure as hell don't buy into the white savior northerner BS.


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Attitudes like that are exactly why I hate this country sometimes. Americans act like they are so high and mighty when it comes to having morals in war and yet they are completely unapologetic for their own war crimes that they always get away with.


you could not find someone more critical of american war conduct than myself. not sure how my pointing out the south's disadvantage translates to "YEAH SOUTHERNERS AND BROWN PEOPLE KILL 'EM YOO ESS AY YOO ESS AY"

anyway...


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29 Oct 2019, 10:39 am

I can confirm that Kip does not believe in screwing with Southern people.



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29 Oct 2019, 10:39 am

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And I'm just sayin' Americans have always been karma houdinis when ot comes to war crimes they commit in every war including the civil war. Must be another reason why I don't believe in karma, and I sure as hell don't buy into the white savior northerner BS.


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Attitudes like that are exactly why I hate this country sometimes. Americans act like they are so high and mighty when it comes to having morals in war and yet they are completely unapologetic for their own war crimes that they always get away with.


you could not find someone more critical of american war conduct than myself. not sure how my pointing out the south's disadvantage translates to "YEAH SOUTHERNERS AND BROWN PEOPLE KILL 'EM YOO ESS AY YOO ESS AY"

anyway...


Ok, I apologize. I think I'm just worked up today because of what I went through yesterday. I'm sorry. :(



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29 Oct 2019, 12:22 pm

Found another disturbing article. :|


https://mobile-reuters-com.cdn.ampproje ... SKBN1X812B

But honestly, these rednecks pushing for another civil war sound like idiots. If it did indeed come to another civil war I wonder if the people in this country would realize how good they truly had it? Americans take for granted the fact that they have not had to fight a war on their own soil for years. :|



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29 Oct 2019, 1:33 pm

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You all act like civil wars are bad.


WTF is this supposed to mean?

Was the civil war to end slavery bad? Is a civil war to end a dictatorship bad?

Civil wars are usually done to end bad things.
There’s always a reason civil wars happen some kind of big issue that causes tension to erupt into fighting.
Do you support people in Middle East fighting for their freedom? Do you support people in Africa, or South America fighting for theirs? Do you supoort Taiwan? What about Tebet?
If so then you support civil wars. Humans are a horrible species and sometimes the only way to bring good change is bloodshed, if not change doesn’t happen.

More recent and ongoing is Korea. Should South Korea not fought a civil war and just rolled over to Kim’s grand dad? Twain is in civil war too with China, one that stretches back to pre ww2.

Civil wars are almost always for good. Not to say the deaths and violence are but they are unfortunately needed in such situations where one side doesn’t care about the others voices and will.

Forgot about the balks civil war where one side was doing genocide cause they wanted the other to do what they say.

Wars aren’t always bad. To say anyone who resorts to war is bad is naive.


The plantation oligarchs who had started the American Civil War hardly were fighting to end slavery. In fact, their motives were the exact opposite.

Are you saying the Union didn’t fight to end slavery cause in past you say they did?
If the union took the civil wars are bad policy they’d left the south to leave and not sought a civil war to bring them back.
Taiwan wouldn’t keep fighting for freedom and South Korea would surrendered without firing a shot.


Yes, the Union did free the slaves. But it was the Confederacy that had started the war. That was my point.

Nope union started it by refusing to accept the southern states left and that confederate states existed. And by your logic they should have ask acknowledged them as a nation and pulled all their troops out , cause civil wars are bad.


The confederates opened fire on Fort Sumter, which made the conflict go from a political disagreement to a war - although one could fairly state that the war started when numerous traitor states declared their intentions to secede to protect the institution of slavery (as was explicitly noted in many of the letters of secession). Don't fall for Lost Cause revisionist history - the traitors have been trying to rewrite the history of the War of Southern Treachery since they lost it.


If England had kept troops stationed at forts next to Washington DC , do you think the us wouldn’t have fired on it?
Seems nations don’t like hostile nations having forts in their nation, go figure.

Ignore the slavery issue. We are talking about who started the war and it was the north by refusing to acknowledge south as a independent nation and refusing to withdraw their troops from souther Territory.
If it played out today between any other nations they’d do the same.
Say Germany demands we leave their nation and we refuse and stay in our bases. They’d attack the bases to make us leave.

These facts are what they are regardless of the reason for war. You can’t keep troops in land where they aren’t wanted and expect nothing to happen.

If the north abided by civil wars are bad don’t do them, they’d pulled their troops and acknowledged south as a nation. But they knew a divided USA would be bad and eventually that slavery must end. So civil wars aren’t always bad.
No one would say Germany started the war. If it was Russia with bases in USA peope wouldn’t say USA started the war.

Or take it to personal matters you kick a roommate out and he refuses to leave. So you physically kick him out, who started it?


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