Kraichgauer
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11 Aug 2021, 7:07 pm
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Welp, my family and I all got the Pfizer shot, and none of us have any complaints.
There is a side effect, however...
That I won't get sick, and/or die?
And seriously, "sensible people" see through the ploy? Covid infection has dropped dramatically in my part of the country because most people here in Washington state have been vaccinated. Those red states - where sensible people live - have seen a huge upsurge of covid, and covid related deaths, because they avoid the vaccination like the plague, because of "sensible people" there think it's all a matter of microchipping people, or altering their DNA so Christ can't ressurect them at the End of Days.
I worked out why you got confused.
I wasn't saying "don't get vaccinated".
I was making the point that governments will mislead people into acting the way they want "for the-greater/their-own good".
I am not a big fan of being treated like a baby mushroom.
The same tactic was used with the global warming hyperbole.
Gore and Flannery both admitted they exaggerated to get people's arses moving.
All they did was destroy their credibility and damage their cause.
Sure, government have misled plenty of people in the past. But that hardly means that's always the case. With the Covid vaccine, I'm one hundred percent certain that is not the case here.
I am non-binary <sic>
I never said all government announcements can't be trusted.
I am saying you have to think for yourself and not blindly believe what is fed to us.
One can think for one self, and come to the conclusion the government is telling the truth, such as about covid vaccinations.
You seemed to have missed the post where it was revealed that the percentage figure was rigged to unethically influenced people in doing what the government wanted.
This behaviour is shameful using an integrity context, is typical of politicians, and ultimately, makes the more intelligent citizens cynical.
In essence, they treat us like baby mushrooms, and some refuse to be manipulated.
Disrespect begets disrespect.
I am not sure how many times I have to make that simple point.
Rigged or not, the fact remains: states where vaccination rates are low have the highest infection and death tolls. That alone tells me that, the findings - if rigged - didn't have to be, as real life results back it up.
Kraichgauer
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11 Aug 2021, 7:09 pm
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Welp, my family and I all got the Pfizer shot, and none of us have any complaints.
There is a side effect, however...
That I won't get sick, and/or die?
And seriously, "sensible people" see through the ploy? Covid infection has dropped dramatically in my part of the country because most people here in Washington state have been vaccinated. Those red states - where sensible people live - have seen a huge upsurge of covid, and covid related deaths, because they avoid the vaccination like the plague, because of "sensible people" there think it's all a matter of microchipping people, or altering their DNA so Christ can't ressurect them at the End of Days.
Oh, OK.
So you are saying the government never "gilds the lily" or creates falsehoods "for the greater good"?
"Interesting".
Did you read the other posts?
I was referring to the established false figures presented by the department.
Would you like me to cut and paste?
Oh, OK.
Are you saying critical thinking isn't embraced by sensible people?
Dude!
Total misrepresentation of what I was saying, btw.
FYI, I will be getting vaccinated ASAP.
I just have to update my will first.
Sure the government has. But I can't see how saving the health and lives of the people by any means is a bad thing.
If anything, those so called "sensible people" have proven themselves to be cranks, grifters, and lunatics who spread the insane lies that the vaccine makes you infertile, or gives you the virus, or alters your DNA, or microchips you. I could go on and on about their lunacy. You honestly can't believe any of that, can you?
Do get the vaccination. The only reason why you'd have to update your will is if you fail to get it, then contract covid.
Reason sorts out nutty ideas.
I'm a fan of critical thinking.
Did you believe everything the Trump administration told you?
BTW, You are talking to a guy that is a victim of institutional gang-stalking and gaslighting, in addition to being put into hospital via a fake car accident by the government's black-ops team.
You expect me to automatically believe anything the government tells me?
My distrust of Trump didn't come from the fact that he was the government, but because he's a psychopathic grifter and liar, and his political supporters are butt kissing sycophants. The Biden administration and the blue state and municipal leadership simple are none of those things. It's all a matter of using "critical thinking," and recognizing the trustworthy source.
Oh, OK, so you are saying you believe that politicians are generally trustworth.
No, just those with a good track record when it comes to integrity.
Hyperpartisanship deprives politicians of "integrity".
Indeed. The Trump cult is living proof of that.
11 Aug 2021, 7:11 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
smudge wrote:
^^ I have no knowledge of anything and my head is killing me - but many liars are extremely good at it, and Trump's actions are very in-your-face and obvious, IMO one can't assume the most honest appearing people aren't manipulative, psychopathic liars.
Biden's record of trustworthiness by far eclipses Trump's. Or rather, Trump's lack of.
He may have greater integrity than trump, but there are a plethora of situations where he has contradicted himself to suit a specific political agenda.
His failing mental capacity may be more to blame than a deliberate attempt to be deceptive, however.
"Read my lips".
If one is hyperpartisan, one's integrity suffers to a significant degree.
Most "party" politicians follow the partisan narrative of their political clan.
It is part of the game.
11 Aug 2021, 7:12 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Indeed. The Trump cult is living proof of that.
Yes, we all know your mantra.
11 Aug 2021, 7:15 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Welp, my family and I all got the Pfizer shot, and none of us have any complaints.
There is a side effect, however...
That I won't get sick, and/or die?
And seriously, "sensible people" see through the ploy? Covid infection has dropped dramatically in my part of the country because most people here in Washington state have been vaccinated. Those red states - where sensible people live - have seen a huge upsurge of covid, and covid related deaths, because they avoid the vaccination like the plague, because of "sensible people" there think it's all a matter of microchipping people, or altering their DNA so Christ can't ressurect them at the End of Days.
I worked out why you got confused.
I wasn't saying "don't get vaccinated".
I was making the point that governments will mislead people into acting the way they want "for the-greater/their-own good".
I am not a big fan of being treated like a baby mushroom.
The same tactic was used with the global warming hyperbole.
Gore and Flannery both admitted they exaggerated to get people's arses moving.
All they did was destroy their credibility and damage their cause.
Sure, government have misled plenty of people in the past. But that hardly means that's always the case. With the Covid vaccine, I'm one hundred percent certain that is not the case here.
I am non-binary <sic>
I never said all government announcements can't be trusted.
I am saying you have to think for yourself and not blindly believe what is fed to us.
One can think for one self, and come to the conclusion the government is telling the truth, such as about covid vaccinations.
You seemed to have missed the post where it was revealed that the percentage figure was rigged to unethically influenced people in doing what the government wanted.
This behaviour is shameful using an integrity context, is typical of politicians, and ultimately, makes the more intelligent citizens cynical.
In essence, they treat us like baby mushrooms, and some refuse to be manipulated.
Disrespect begets disrespect.
I am not sure how many times I have to make that simple point.
Rigged or not, the fact remains: states where vaccination rates are low have the highest infection and death tolls. That alone tells me that, the findings - if rigged - didn't have to be, as real life results back it up.
You consistently miss the point.
Kudos!
Kraichgauer
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Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
11 Aug 2021, 9:19 pm
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
smudge wrote:
^^ I have no knowledge of anything and my head is killing me - but many liars are extremely good at it, and Trump's actions are very in-your-face and obvious, IMO one can't assume the most honest appearing people aren't manipulative, psychopathic liars.
Biden's record of trustworthiness by far eclipses Trump's. Or rather, Trump's lack of.
He may have greater integrity than trump, but there are a plethora of situations where he has contradicted himself to suit a specific political agenda.
His failing mental capacity may be more to blame than a deliberate attempt to be deceptive, however.
"Read my lips".
If one is hyperpartisan, one's integrity suffers to a significant degree.
Most "party" politicians follow the partisan narrative of their political clan.
It is part of the game.
Regardless, he doesn't have a long history of hurting people, unlike Trump. And what's wrong with changing your position when the need arises? Such as a change in situation, or if one learns something new about a subject.
12 Aug 2021, 2:59 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
smudge wrote:
^^ I have no knowledge of anything and my head is killing me - but many liars are extremely good at it, and Trump's actions are very in-your-face and obvious, IMO one can't assume the most honest appearing people aren't manipulative, psychopathic liars.
Biden's record of trustworthiness by far eclipses Trump's. Or rather, Trump's lack of.
He may have greater integrity than trump, but there are a plethora of situations where he has contradicted himself to suit a specific political agenda.
His failing mental capacity may be more to blame than a deliberate attempt to be deceptive, however.
"Read my lips".
If one is hyperpartisan, one's integrity suffers to a significant degree.
Most "party" politicians follow the partisan narrative of their political clan.
It is part of the game.
Regardless, he doesn't have a long history of hurting people, unlike Trump. And what's wrong with changing your position when the need arises? Such as a change in situation, or if one learns something new about a subject.
In this situation, he seems to forget what policies he is or isn't supporting.
Does the world really need this finger on the button of nuclear weaponry?
Kraichgauer
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Posts: 49,241
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
12 Aug 2021, 3:02 am
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
smudge wrote:
^^ I have no knowledge of anything and my head is killing me - but many liars are extremely good at it, and Trump's actions are very in-your-face and obvious, IMO one can't assume the most honest appearing people aren't manipulative, psychopathic liars.
Biden's record of trustworthiness by far eclipses Trump's. Or rather, Trump's lack of.
He may have greater integrity than trump, but there are a plethora of situations where he has contradicted himself to suit a specific political agenda.
His failing mental capacity may be more to blame than a deliberate attempt to be deceptive, however.
"Read my lips".
If one is hyperpartisan, one's integrity suffers to a significant degree.
Most "party" politicians follow the partisan narrative of their political clan.
It is part of the game.
Regardless, he doesn't have a long history of hurting people, unlike Trump. And what's wrong with changing your position when the need arises? Such as a change in situation, or if one learns something new about a subject.
In this situation, he seems to forget what policies he is or isn't supporting.
Does the world really need this finger on the button of nuclear weaponry?
I think you've been watching too much Fox noise, because that's not the Joe Biden I see on the news.
12 Aug 2021, 5:25 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
smudge wrote:
^^ I have no knowledge of anything and my head is killing me - but many liars are extremely good at it, and Trump's actions are very in-your-face and obvious, IMO one can't assume the most honest appearing people aren't manipulative, psychopathic liars.
Biden's record of trustworthiness by far eclipses Trump's. Or rather, Trump's lack of.
He may have greater integrity than trump, but there are a plethora of situations where he has contradicted himself to suit a specific political agenda.
His failing mental capacity may be more to blame than a deliberate attempt to be deceptive, however.
"Read my lips".
If one is hyperpartisan, one's integrity suffers to a significant degree.
Most "party" politicians follow the partisan narrative of their political clan.
It is part of the game.
Regardless, he doesn't have a long history of hurting people, unlike Trump. And what's wrong with changing your position when the need arises? Such as a change in situation, or if one learns something new about a subject.
In this situation, he seems to forget what policies he is or isn't supporting.
Does the world really need this finger on the button of nuclear weaponry?
I think you've been watching too much Fox noise, because that's not the Joe Biden I see on the news.
Presumably, because you watch the left-wing news outlets.
Sky News points out things that the ABC leaves out because of their political bias.
And vice versa.
That is how hyperpartisanship works.
That doesn't mean that what is pointed out is necessarily false.
That is where a person's objectivity, personal experience, and critical thinking skills come into play.
If a person simply and blindly believes everything/k that is presented to them, what does that say about a person?
12 Aug 2021, 8:28 am
IMO it's good to look at as many sources as possible, rather than rely upon the "reliable few" that you know, because they don't always tell the truth either, and one is truly limiting themselves by relying on the "reliable few". The people behind the sources change behind the source itself (Like a political party), the people themselves change their opinions and belief systems over time, or they're influenced by money etc.
Bill: You're 100% certain of what the government say about the vaccines, why? The drug companies themselves have a history of lying about results and coverups.
Pepe:
Quote:
BTW, You are talking to a guy that is a victim of institutional gang-stalking and gaslighting, in addition to being put into hospital via a fake car accident by the government's black-ops team.
You expect me to automatically believe anything the government tells me?
You expect me to automatically believe anything the government tells me?
Were you serious?
12 Aug 2021, 9:13 am
12 Aug 2021, 10:07 am
12 Aug 2021, 10:23 am
Kraichgauer
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12 Aug 2021, 5:21 pm
Kraichgauer
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12 Aug 2021, 5:24 pm
smudge wrote:
IMO it's good to look at as many sources as possible, rather than rely upon the "reliable few" that you know, because they don't always tell the truth either, and one is truly limiting themselves by relying on the "reliable few". The people behind the sources change behind the source itself (Like a political party), the people themselves change their opinions and belief systems over time, or they're influenced by money etc.
Bill: You're 100% certain of what the government say about the vaccines, why? The drug companies themselves have a history of lying about results and coverups.
Pepe:
Were you serious?
Bill: You're 100% certain of what the government say about the vaccines, why? The drug companies themselves have a history of lying about results and coverups.
Pepe:
Quote:
BTW, You are talking to a guy that is a victim of institutional gang-stalking and gaslighting, in addition to being put into hospital via a fake car accident by the government's black-ops team.
You expect me to automatically believe anything the government tells me?
You expect me to automatically believe anything the government tells me?
Were you serious?
I'm not going to doubt the drug companies just because some (okay, many) have been messing with people. There are still legitimate scientists who work on these medications, such as the late Dr. Jonah Salk. Those are the guys I trust.
Kraichgauer
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Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
12 Aug 2021, 5:25 pm
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
smudge wrote:
^^ I have no knowledge of anything and my head is killing me - but many liars are extremely good at it, and Trump's actions are very in-your-face and obvious, IMO one can't assume the most honest appearing people aren't manipulative, psychopathic liars.
Biden's record of trustworthiness by far eclipses Trump's. Or rather, Trump's lack of.
He may have greater integrity than trump, but there are a plethora of situations where he has contradicted himself to suit a specific political agenda.
His failing mental capacity may be more to blame than a deliberate attempt to be deceptive, however.
"Read my lips".
If one is hyperpartisan, one's integrity suffers to a significant degree.
Most "party" politicians follow the partisan narrative of their political clan.
It is part of the game.
Regardless, he doesn't have a long history of hurting people, unlike Trump. And what's wrong with changing your position when the need arises? Such as a change in situation, or if one learns something new about a subject.
In this situation, he seems to forget what policies he is or isn't supporting.
Does the world really need this finger on the button of nuclear weaponry?
I think you've been watching too much Fox noise, because that's not the Joe Biden I see on the news.
Presumably, because you watch the left-wing news outlets.
Sky News points out things that the ABC leaves out because of their political bias.
And vice versa.
That is how hyperpartisanship works.
That doesn't mean that what is pointed out is necessarily false.
That is where a person's objectivity, personal experience, and critical thinking skills come into play.
If a person simply and blindly believes everything/k that is presented to them, what does that say about a person?
Sky News?
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