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01 Jan 2022, 3:51 am

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What do people think about this woman?
I wonder why she's being held up for derision and fatuous tittle-tattle - but that's what sells "newspapers", so... :roll:
It's almost as if they're looking for a Diana Mk. II to torture and pull the wings off.


Everyone has a different perspective on things, don't they?

I have always thought the now physically deceased princess Diana, (yet spiritually alive princess), was unfairly treated, as a woman. In my opinion, she may have been murdered for her interracial dating inclinations, before such a thing was 'acceptable' within the staid royal family.

The entire royal family is creepy & I don't even like them.

But Meghan Markle is fake as hell. She sets off my internal demon detection device like bleep, bleep, bleep.

And by that, I just mean an advanced form of intuition. But yeah, everything she says seems to be twisted in some way when you compare her specific details of an event she recalls versus the other members of the royal family.

Even reading between the lines, she is inconsistent on many levels.



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01 Jan 2022, 3:57 am

It would be interesting to find out the exact wording on the skin color speculation. “Concerned about” is quite different intent-wise than “speculating on.” I had always understood it to be the later, and actually had to think about why it came across as so shocking (as v just insensitive) to so many.

I think the situation is probably one of different perceptions and experiences. We speculate about all sorts of traits a baby might be born with. Hair color. Eye color. Mom or dad’s nose. And so on. So to some degree it is easy to how it could be completely innocent.

I wonder, however, if speculating about skin tone may be so unique to interracial relationships that it ends up, at minimum, being a micro-aggression, just one more way the world points out to someone how different they are. It doesn’t have to be meant poorly to sting and it’s become clear to me since that interview that such lines of questioning and speculation do sting for the recipients. Again, often meant totally innocently, but at the same time a very pointed way of reminding someone they aren’t part of the group. Those little things can really add up, and I’m guessing that this was just one of many that piled up for and became hurtful to Meghan, increasing her sense of isolation and loneliness within the royal family. No one wants to feel like an outsider in their home.

She gave up everything she knew when she moved, and became family with people who had no idea of her experiences, perceptions, or feelings; had no idea how many little comments and observations increased her sense of being an outsider; and had no idea how to support her or make her feel less alone. When you read interviews after the first Christmas she spent with them, it seemed she was thrilled to be joining such a big family that stuck together. Time changed that. What happened?

It isn’t a bad thing to become more aware of how things we say can create hurt we didn’t mean. I will never claim that the person being hurt is overly-sensitive; it is, instead, my job to figure out why it hurt them.


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01 Jan 2022, 4:18 am

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It would be interesting to find out the exact wording on the skin color speculation. “Concerned about” is quite different intent-wise than “speculating on.” I had always understood it to be the later, and actually had to think about why it came across as so shocking (as v just insensitive) to so many.

I think the situation is probably one of different perceptions and experiences. We speculate about all sorts of traits a baby might be born with. Hair color. Eye color. Mom or dad’s nose. And so on. So to some degree it is easy to how it could be completely innocent.

I wonder, however, if speculating about skin tone may be so unique to interracial relationships that it ends up, at minimum, being a micro-aggression, just one more way the world points out to someone how different they are. It doesn’t have to be meant poorly to sting and it’s become clear to me since that interview that such lines of questioning and speculation do sting for the recipients. Again, often meant totally innocently, but at the same time a very pointed way of reminding someone they aren’t part of the group. Those little things can really add up, and I’m guessing that this was just one of many that piled up for and became hurtful to Meghan, increasing her sense of isolation and loneliness within the royal family. No one wants to feel like an outsider in their home.

She gave up everything she knew when she moved, and became family with people who had no idea of her experiences, perceptions, or feelings; had no idea how many little comments and observations increased her sense of being an outsider; and had no idea how to support her or make her feel less alone. When you read interviews after the first Christmas she spent with them, it seemed she was thrilled to be joining such a big family that stuck together. Time changed that. What happened?

It isn’t a bad thing to become more aware of how things we say can create hurt we didn’t mean. I will never claim that the person being hurt is overly-sensitive; it is, instead, my job to figure out why it hurt them.


I 100% agree that people can be made to feel like an outsider, even at the very top levels of society. But perspective is needed and context, also.

People scrabbling about for the proverbial coin in their purse or wallet, to buy a takeaway meal whilst living on a council estate, hoping their electricity meter doesn't run out, are utterly furious watching garbage like Meghan Markle whine about her circumstances, if they have any brain in their head with any kind of capacity.

Watch a documentary about poor black people in the working class northern cities of England, or the poor working white, or the hillbillies in rural America.

Surely anything is more interesting than listening to Meghan Markle's sob story?! It isn't even a real sob story. She is a chronic, inveterate liar, who focusses on real social slights that have occurred and magnifies them into something ego-threatening, because her ego is so large, it's like a black hole in size & power.



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01 Jan 2022, 4:21 am

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It is the fact that she lies like there is no tomorrow and has made it her trade to sell lies to people who cannot discern truth from reality.

Could you give us some specific examples of some of these alleged lies? (And explain how you know that they are lies?)


An interesting list... Some more "excusable" than others (13 years without speaking to her sister - rather than the 18/19 years claimed, for example), and some possibly caused through her lack of comprehension of what was occurring (claim to have been married 3 days prior to official wedding, which was instead probably a simple rehearsal), but taken together could easily be seen as intentional\premeditated.
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MEGHAN Markle's "truth" was called into question yet again yesterday after it emerged she did collaborate with the authors of Finding Freedom.

Having previously denied any involvement, the Duchess of Sussex, 40, apologised to a court, claiming she “forgot” about emails sent by her and Prince Harry regarding their unofficial biography.

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Passport 'taken away'

Meghan claimed during the Oprah chat that she'd had her passport, keys and driver’s licence taken from her.

She also said she was unable to "just leave".

However, after meeting Harry, she must have still had her passport to hand - as the couple jetted off on 13 holidays together including breaks in Ibiza, Nice and Amsterdam.

She also travelled without Harry to New York and Toronto.

Kate Middleton made her cry

Another claim Meghan made in the Oprah interview was that Kate Middleton made her cry at a bridesmaid fitting before her wedding.

But the journalist behind the original story - which alleged that in fact Meghan made Kate cry - has stuck by her sources.

There have subsequently been claims that the Duchess of Cambridge went to apologise and Meg threw her peace offering flowers in the bin.

[...]

Clueless about royals

When Meghan and Harry got engaged in November 2017, she claimed she didn’t know who he was when they met on their first date.

She said: “It’s so interesting because we talk about it and now and even then, I, you know, because I’m from the States, you don’t grow up with the same understanding of the Royal Family and so while I now understand very clearly, there’s a global interest there.

“I didn’t know much about him, and so the only thing that I had asked her when she said that she wanted to set us up, was, I had one question. I said, ‘Well is he nice?’”

Meghan also insisted she didn’t do “any research into the monarchy" before they got married.

But according to the authors of Finding Freedom, Meghan conducted a thorough Google search on Harry ahead of their date.

Meghan had also known Princess Eugenie for several years before meeting the Duke, and her old school friend Ninaki Priddy said Meg was "fascinated" by both the Royal Family and Princess Diana.

Another of Meghan’s childhood friends claims she was always obsessed with royalty and had aspirations of being "Princess Diana 2.0”.

Ninaki said the pair traveled to London as teens and even shared a photo of them beaming in front of Buckingham Palace.

Secret wedding

In the Oprah chat, Meghan claimed she and Harry were secretly married by the Archbishop of Canterbury in the garden at Nottingham Cottage three days before their official wedding in May 2018.

But their wedding certificate proved this was not true.

The Archbishop of Canterbury also later confirmed it didn't happen.

He said: "I would have committed a serious criminal offence if I signed it knowing it was false."

https://www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/4046096/meghan-markle-lies-finding-freedom/



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01 Jan 2022, 4:22 am

I'll add to that, that the people watching rich people whine on television, are essentially undergoing a psychological process of submission to the desire to be rich and famous. You cannot claim to be for social justice whilst simultaneously watching rich people on television.

These people shouldn't even be given more than a moment of attention. Starve them of attention, I say.

You are getting bogged down in the micro-details without thinking about the overall ridiculousness of Meghan Markle.



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01 Jan 2022, 7:03 am

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Surely anything is more interesting than listening to Meghan Markle's sob story?!


When you realize that even the rich or powerful can be miserable, it tends to make people a little less jealous. No one “gets it all.”


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01 Jan 2022, 9:26 am

:shrug:
I've yet to see anything about her that isn't vacuous, spiteful tittle-tattle - but that's the weapon of choice for much of Murdoch's output.

blitzkrieg wrote:
These people shouldn't even be given more than a moment of attention. Starve them of attention, I say.
But here you are anyway... :wink:

It all sounds a bit too "waving torches and pitchforks" for me.

"Ah, there's no justice like angry mob justice."
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01 Jan 2022, 10:16 am

blitzkrieg wrote:
I'll add to that, that the people watching rich people whine on television, are essentially undergoing a psychological process of submission to the desire to be rich and famous. You cannot claim to be for social justice whilst simultaneously watching rich people on television.

These people shouldn't even be given more than a moment of attention. Starve them of attention, I say.

With this, I agree. I see no good reason to pay much if any attention to the personal lives of celebrities.

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You are getting bogged down in the micro-details without thinking about the overall ridiculousness of Meghan Markle.

Why are you paying enough attention to even single out Meghan Markle?


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01 Jan 2022, 11:01 am

Cornflake wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
What do people think about this woman?
I wonder why she's being held up for derision and fatuous tittle-tattle - but that's what sells "newspapers", so... :roll:
It's almost as if they're looking for a Diana Mk. II to torture and pull the wings off.


It's worse than that as torturing has become more sophisticated since Diana https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/el ... ry-twitter


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01 Jan 2022, 11:21 am

Make up your mind!

I, and probably most of us, had taken little interest in what Markle said to Oprah that night.

But Blitz demands that we DO take an interest in it!

But THEN in the same conversation demands that we STOP taking an interest in it! :lol:



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01 Jan 2022, 11:35 am

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It's worse than that as torturing has become more sophisticated since Diana https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/el ... ry-twitter
Good find.

Related, from that link, is this - an excellent example of how the media manipulates public opinion, how they set people up on a pedestal while knocking down others.

It's no surprise to see the particular rags shown here - it's what they do.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/el ... atedmanual


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01 Jan 2022, 12:14 pm

Cornflake wrote:
Doberdoofus wrote:
It's worse than that as torturing has become more sophisticated since Diana https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/el ... ry-twitter
Good find.

Related, from that link, is this - an excellent example of how the media manipulates public opinion, how they set people up on a pedestal while knocking down others.

It's no surprise to see the particular rags shown here - it's what they do.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/el ... atedmanual


Ha! I was saving that link for a rebuttal :D


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01 Jan 2022, 4:53 pm

^ :lol: Sorry - it was just sooo good, I couldn't resist...


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01 Jan 2022, 6:06 pm

When you can get canceled for avocados then...maybe wokeness has gone to far! 8O



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02 Jan 2022, 2:00 am

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It's no surprise to see the particular rags shown here - it's what they do.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/el ... atedmanual


It does make a pretty compelling argument for bias against Meghan.

I think Kate is amazing for the role she plays, but I don’t understand why people can’t accept Meghan as being less perfect without having to tear her to shreds.

I think this whole thread says a lot more about us than it does Meghan.


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