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30 Oct 2019, 6:46 pm

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You know something? North and South is exactly like East and West. We are non-compatible. Sorry.


While that may or may not be true, it fails to address why one should be more concerned about what southern civilians went through in the war of southern treachery, compared to what any other civilians went through during other contemporary conflicts. War in that era was horrible, perhaps they should have abandoned slavery voluntarily while they had the chance.


Yeah, clearly it is true. Our arguing is proof of that.

If I were in control I would have abolished slavery and successfully succeeded the south from this stupid BS country known as the good ol' USA. I'm sure that would have made everyone happy. :roll:


I'm not from the north, so I'm not sure how us debating this is proof of more than that we disagree on this matter.


You're Canadian! That's as far north as it gets on this continent! :P


Indeed, but as far as Union vs. Confederates, I don't got a dog in the fight. I try to call it as fairly as I can based on what I've been able to research on my own because it's not something that comes up in our curriculum here. I'd imagine that makes it easier for me to be emotionless when discussing, since a lot of Yankees seem to think the Civil War makes up for the north's racism and a lot of southerners seem defensive and easily triggered because 'but slavery' often ends up being the entirety of discussion of racism in America.

Canadians do it too, mention racism to Canadians and they immediately pivot to discussing the US and it's history of racial injustice, and spend the rest of the day acting like their s**t don't stink.


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30 Oct 2019, 6:50 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
You know something? North and South is exactly like East and West. We are non-compatible. Sorry.


While that may or may not be true, it fails to address why one should be more concerned about what southern civilians went through in the war of southern treachery, compared to what any other civilians went through during other contemporary conflicts. War in that era was horrible, perhaps they should have abandoned slavery voluntarily while they had the chance.


Yeah, clearly it is true. Our arguing is proof of that.

If I were in control I would have abolished slavery and successfully succeeded the south from this stupid BS country known as the good ol' USA. I'm sure that would have made everyone happy. :roll:


I'm not from the north, so I'm not sure how us debating this is proof of more than that we disagree on this matter.


You're Canadian! That's as far north as it gets on this continent! :P


Indeed, but as far as Union vs. Confederates, I don't got a dog in the fight. I try to call it as fairly as I can based on what I've been able to research on my own because it's not something that comes up in our curriculum here. I'd imagine that makes it easier for me to be emotionless when discussing, since a lot of Yankees seem to think the Civil War makes up for the north's racism and a lot of southerners seem defensive and easily triggered because 'but slavery' often ends up being the entirety of discussion of racism in America.

Canadians do it too, mention racism to Canadians and they immediately pivot to discussing the US and it's history of racial injustice, and spend the rest of the day acting like their s**t don't stink.


Like I said, North and South, along with East and West, are not compatible. The USA is south of Canada. :wink:



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30 Oct 2019, 6:54 pm

Allow me to put all of North America into perspective for you, Game of Thrones intro style!



We are like King's Landing, you guys are Winterfell, and Mexico is Pentos. :king:



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30 Oct 2019, 7:06 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
You know something? North and South is exactly like East and West. We are non-compatible. Sorry.


While that may or may not be true, it fails to address why one should be more concerned about what southern civilians went through in the war of southern treachery, compared to what any other civilians went through during other contemporary conflicts. War in that era was horrible, perhaps they should have abandoned slavery voluntarily while they had the chance.


Yeah, clearly it is true. Our arguing is proof of that.

If I were in control I would have abolished slavery and successfully succeeded the south from this stupid BS country known as the good ol' USA. I'm sure that would have made everyone happy. :roll:


I'm not from the north, so I'm not sure how us debating this is proof of more than that we disagree on this matter.


You're Canadian! That's as far north as it gets on this continent! :P


Indeed, but as far as Union vs. Confederates, I don't got a dog in the fight. I try to call it as fairly as I can based on what I've been able to research on my own because it's not something that comes up in our curriculum here. I'd imagine that makes it easier for me to be emotionless when discussing, since a lot of Yankees seem to think the Civil War makes up for the north's racism and a lot of southerners seem defensive and easily triggered because 'but slavery' often ends up being the entirety of discussion of racism in America.

Canadians do it too, mention racism to Canadians and they immediately pivot to discussing the US and it's history of racial injustice, and spend the rest of the day acting like their s**t don't stink.


Like I said, North and South, along with East and West, are not compatible. The USA is south of Canada. :wink:


We're all the Anglo-West. America is welcome to rejoin the empire whenever she remembers that Elizabeth, of House Windsor, second of her name is their rightful head of state. :wink:


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30 Oct 2019, 7:08 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
You know something? North and South is exactly like East and West. We are non-compatible. Sorry.


While that may or may not be true, it fails to address why one should be more concerned about what southern civilians went through in the war of southern treachery, compared to what any other civilians went through during other contemporary conflicts. War in that era was horrible, perhaps they should have abandoned slavery voluntarily while they had the chance.


Yeah, clearly it is true. Our arguing is proof of that.

If I were in control I would have abolished slavery and successfully succeeded the south from this stupid BS country known as the good ol' USA. I'm sure that would have made everyone happy. :roll:


I'm not from the north, so I'm not sure how us debating this is proof of more than that we disagree on this matter.


You're Canadian! That's as far north as it gets on this continent! :P


Indeed, but as far as Union vs. Confederates, I don't got a dog in the fight. I try to call it as fairly as I can based on what I've been able to research on my own because it's not something that comes up in our curriculum here. I'd imagine that makes it easier for me to be emotionless when discussing, since a lot of Yankees seem to think the Civil War makes up for the north's racism and a lot of southerners seem defensive and easily triggered because 'but slavery' often ends up being the entirety of discussion of racism in America.

Canadians do it too, mention racism to Canadians and they immediately pivot to discussing the US and it's history of racial injustice, and spend the rest of the day acting like their s**t don't stink.


Like I said, North and South, along with East and West, are not compatible. The USA is south of Canada. :wink:


We're all the Anglo-West. America is welcome to rejoin the empire whenever she remembers that Elizabeth, of House Windsor, second of her name is their rightful head of state. :wink:


Never gonna happen. :lol:



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30 Oct 2019, 7:24 pm

I wonder if Americans and Canadians would ever go to war with each other? Maybe when us Yanks get tired of not having "free health care" and decide to steal it from Canada like we do other resources from other countries? :lol:

Or maybe we'll go to war once we run out of fat chunky bacon and maple syrup? :P



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30 Oct 2019, 8:08 pm

You know something, I actually DO get it. Us southerners are supposed to feel ashamed and hate ourselves every waking day of our pathetic redneck lives for the sins of our past (slavery, racism, and treason). We're all supposed to hate everything about the south but feel so proud to be Americans!

Well I think this little cartoon here sums up the irony in that perfectly. :P

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30 Oct 2019, 8:09 pm

I believe the prejudice against the South is lessening as time proceeds.



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30 Oct 2019, 8:20 pm

I'm probably the ONLY southerner who will openly admit to not liking this country. Everyone else I know in the south seems so patriotic, or maybe they're more nationalistic? Hell I dunno anymore. :lol: But it's like the moment that southerners decided we liked being Americans the other more liberal states decided that being proud of being an American is a bad thing. :P

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30 Oct 2019, 8:24 pm

I take pride in my country.

It ain't perfect----but it's not as bad as many other countries, either.



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30 Oct 2019, 8:26 pm

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I take pride in my country.

It ain't perfect----but it's not as bad as many other countries, either.


I guess the great thing about being an American is that I have the right to complain about how much I hate it here sometimes. :wtg:



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30 Oct 2019, 8:27 pm

That you do....



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30 Oct 2019, 8:46 pm

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You know something, I actually DO get it. Us southerners are supposed to feel ashamed and hate ourselves every waking day of our pathetic redneck lives for the sins of our past (slavery, racism, and treason). We're all supposed to hate everything about the south but feel so proud to be Americans!


Personally, I don't think Southerners need to feel anyway about themselves. Current southerners aren't the ones who committed those actions, so they don't need to bear responsibility for them. I don't believe those actions should be celebrated, and that those who celebrate those actions deserve to be condemned for that action - but just like neo-nazis didn't commit the Holocaust, neo-confederate types didn't practice slavery and commit treason - their crime is celebrating other people's historic crimes, and that's inherently a lesser crime than actually committing those actions.

Basically, southerners who understand why the southern cause isn't and wasn't sympathetic really don't have any need to feel guilt or shame or self-loathing over the actions of their ancestors. If they're not sympathetic to the Lost Cause, they've got nothing whatsoever to feel ashamed of.


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30 Oct 2019, 8:53 pm

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TW1ZTY wrote:
You know something, I actually DO get it. Us southerners are supposed to feel ashamed and hate ourselves every waking day of our pathetic redneck lives for the sins of our past (slavery, racism, and treason). We're all supposed to hate everything about the south but feel so proud to be Americans!


Personally, I don't think Southerners need to feel anyway about themselves. Current southerners aren't the ones who committed those actions, so they don't need to bear responsibility for them. I don't believe those actions should be celebrated, and that those who celebrate those actions deserve to be condemned for that action - but just like neo-nazis didn't commit the Holocaust, neo-confederate types didn't practice slavery and commit treason - their crime is celebrating other people's historic crimes, and that's inherently a lesser crime than actually committing those actions.

Basically, southerners who understand why the southern cause isn't and wasn't sympathetic really don't have any need to feel guilt or shame or self-loathing over the actions of their ancestors. If they're not sympathetic to the Lost Cause, they've got nothing whatsoever to feel ashamed of.


I'm sympathetic towards anybody who ends up being a victim of war against the bloodthirsty Ammmmuuuurrrricans!! !, including the Japanese, Germans, Native Americans, Veitnamese, and Iraqies.

You know why? Because Americans always get away with their war crimes.



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30 Oct 2019, 10:10 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
You know something, I actually DO get it. Us southerners are supposed to feel ashamed and hate ourselves every waking day of our pathetic redneck lives for the sins of our past (slavery, racism, and treason). We're all supposed to hate everything about the south but feel so proud to be Americans!


Personally, I don't think Southerners need to feel anyway about themselves. Current southerners aren't the ones who committed those actions, so they don't need to bear responsibility for them. I don't believe those actions should be celebrated, and that those who celebrate those actions deserve to be condemned for that action - but just like neo-nazis didn't commit the Holocaust, neo-confederate types didn't practice slavery and commit treason - their crime is celebrating other people's historic crimes, and that's inherently a lesser crime than actually committing those actions.

Basically, southerners who understand why the southern cause isn't and wasn't sympathetic really don't have any need to feel guilt or shame or self-loathing over the actions of their ancestors. If they're not sympathetic to the Lost Cause, they've got nothing whatsoever to feel ashamed of.


I'm sympathetic towards anybody who ends up being a victim of war against the bloodthirsty Ammmmuuuurrrricans!! !, including the Japanese, Germans, Native Americans, Veitnamese, and Iraqies.

You know why? Because Americans always get away with their war crimes.


I have empathy for any civilians caught up in a military conflict, but in this specific case I have both empathy and sympathy for the people who were being kept as property; unfortunately for southern civilians, the cause they were supporting was even more morally reprehensible than the war crimes perpetuated against them were.


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Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.


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30 Oct 2019, 10:27 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
You know something, I actually DO get it. Us southerners are supposed to feel ashamed and hate ourselves every waking day of our pathetic redneck lives for the sins of our past (slavery, racism, and treason). We're all supposed to hate everything about the south but feel so proud to be Americans!


Personally, I don't think Southerners need to feel anyway about themselves. Current southerners aren't the ones who committed those actions, so they don't need to bear responsibility for them. I don't believe those actions should be celebrated, and that those who celebrate those actions deserve to be condemned for that action - but just like neo-nazis didn't commit the Holocaust, neo-confederate types didn't practice slavery and commit treason - their crime is celebrating other people's historic crimes, and that's inherently a lesser crime than actually committing those actions.

Basically, southerners who understand why the southern cause isn't and wasn't sympathetic really don't have any need to feel guilt or shame or self-loathing over the actions of their ancestors. If they're not sympathetic to the Lost Cause, they've got nothing whatsoever to feel ashamed of.


I'm sympathetic towards anybody who ends up being a victim of war against the bloodthirsty Ammmmuuuurrrricans!! !, including the Japanese, Germans, Native Americans, Veitnamese, and Iraqies.

You know why? Because Americans always get away with their war crimes.


I have empathy for any civilians caught up in a military conflict, but in this specific case I have both empathy and sympathy for the people who were being kept as property; unfortunately for southern civilians, the cause they were supporting was even more morally reprehensible than the war crimes perpetuated against them were.


The thing is contrary to popular opinion not everyone in the south supported slavery or the succession. People like the Mennonites and the Southern Unionists opposed it. Of course that did not spare them from having their homes destroyed too.

But who cares, right? It's easier to just say that everyone in the south deserved it. :P