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10 Dec 2017, 12:47 pm

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/\They have Jewish only highways?What happens if you drive on one and you're not Jewish??
The checkpoints sound awful.


Yes, and building Jewish only cities on stolen land. Sometimes the new houses are built by bulldozing the Palestinian homes down first. I doubt that happens very often as there is a separate number plate system for Jews and Palestinians. As well as the checkpoints. Some Palestinians drove on the roads in 2012 as a protest and they were arrested and their cars were seized.

I was aware of the old olive groves being destroyed but had no idea of a segregated highway.Thats just wrong on so many ways.What if you needed to get someone to the hospital and couldn't use the highway?


Oh dear, there's a lot of people on here who believe the propaganda. Israeli (including Israeli Arabs, you know the ones with more rights than in Arab countries) have had to segregate themselves from the Palestinians after countless terror attacks. It is way too easy to blame the 4 million Jews, rather than the 100 million barbarians that surround them.

Barbarians?All of them?


No, not all of them, but enough of them. Perhaps you don't watch the news. Please name a Muslim country with a stable, democratic government in the Middle East.



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10 Dec 2017, 1:35 pm

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Riiiiiight, Israel starts wars by being attacked? How does that work? Do we have a bit of a problem with Jewish people, perchance?

You can be anti-Zionist and not anti-Semitic all at the same time.You do know that some Jewish people oppose the way the Palestinian people are treated?
http://jfjfp.com
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.612072

Being anti-Zionist is the favourite cover for anti-semites all over. It's an excuse.


It always ticks me off that so many people dismiss all criticism of Israel as being antisemitic. Anyone who does that is hardly interested in truth.

Is it antisemitic to criticize Israel and Sharon in particular for their act of sending Phalangist militia into the camps of Sabra and Shatila to murder thousands of refugees while the IDF guarded the refugee camp for the entire three days of the massacre to make sure that the Phalangist miitia were not disturbed on their massive killing spree? There is no way to justify this action.



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10 Dec 2017, 2:12 pm

Wtf are they fighting over, anyways?

From what I gather, at least 3 different religions (Jews, Christians, Muslims) all claim that Jerusalem is sacred & Holy to them, right? So, shouldn't that make it about the most peaceful well preserved piece of land on the face of the planet? If all of these people are so religious and that land is so special, why are none of them behaving in the ways of the teachings of their chosen faith nor protecting the city so it's preserved for all to enjoy into virtual perpetuity?

Or have I got something terribly wrong here?


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10 Dec 2017, 2:51 pm

kokopelli wrote:
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Misslizard wrote:
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Riiiiiight, Israel starts wars by being attacked? How does that work? Do we have a bit of a problem with Jewish people, perchance?

You can be anti-Zionist and not anti-Semitic all at the same time.You do know that some Jewish people oppose the way the Palestinian people are treated?
http://jfjfp.com
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.612072

Being anti-Zionist is the favourite cover for anti-semites all over. It's an excuse.


It always ticks me off that so many people dismiss all criticism of Israel as being antisemitic. Anyone who does that is hardly interested in truth.

Is it antisemitic to criticize Israel and Sharon in particular for their act of sending Phalangist militia into the camps of Sabra and Shatila to murder thousands of refugees while the IDF guarded the refugee camp for the entire three days of the massacre to make sure that the Phalangist miitia were not disturbed on their massive killing spree? There is no way to justify this action.


No, there is no way to justify that action. However, when people like you talk about the hundreds of atrocities visited by Israel's neighbours on each other, their own people, other types of Muslim and Israel you'll be taken more seriously. But you won't, because you dare not criticize Islam. It's far easier to go after the only democracy in the whole area, is it not?



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10 Dec 2017, 2:57 pm

nephets wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
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Riiiiiight, Israel starts wars by being attacked? How does that work? Do we have a bit of a problem with Jewish people, perchance?

You can be anti-Zionist and not anti-Semitic all at the same time.You do know that some Jewish people oppose the way the Palestinian people are treated?
http://jfjfp.com
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.612072

Being anti-Zionist is the favourite cover for anti-semites all over. It's an excuse.

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My very Jewish friend says Zionists are crazy.How can she be an anti Semite?
Are the Jewish groups that oppose the treatment of the Palestinians anti-Semites?


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10 Dec 2017, 3:35 pm

nephets wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
nephets wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
/\They have Jewish only highways?What happens if you drive on one and you're not Jewish??
The checkpoints sound awful.


Yes, and building Jewish only cities on stolen land. Sometimes the new houses are built by bulldozing the Palestinian homes down first. I doubt that happens very often as there is a separate number plate system for Jews and Palestinians. As well as the checkpoints. Some Palestinians drove on the roads in 2012 as a protest and they were arrested and their cars were seized.

I was aware of the old olive groves being destroyed but had no idea of a segregated highway.Thats just wrong on so many ways.What if you needed to get someone to the hospital and couldn't use the highway?


Oh dear, there's a lot of people on here who believe the propaganda. Israeli (including Israeli Arabs, you know the ones with more rights than in Arab countries) have had to segregate themselves from the Palestinians after countless terror attacks. It is way too easy to blame the 4 million Jews, rather than the 100 million barbarians that surround them.

Barbarians?All of them?


No, not all of them, but enough of them. Perhaps you don't watch the news. Please name a Muslim country with a stable, democratic government in the Middle East.

Probably not the neocon news specials you watch.
Democracies are not always peaceful or stable.That's a joke.
UAE,Qatar,Oman,Jordan,Cypress are all stable and safe and I would have no fear traveling to any of those countries.You'd probably be more likely to get shot here in America by some nut job in a shopping mall.
Anyway,i don't think the Sufis are causing any problems.Or do you just hate all Muslims?


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10 Dec 2017, 3:58 pm

nephets wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
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Riiiiiight, Israel starts wars by being attacked? How does that work? Do we have a bit of a problem with Jewish people, perchance?

You can be anti-Zionist and not anti-Semitic all at the same time.You do know that some Jewish people oppose the way the Palestinian people are treated?
http://jfjfp.com
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.612072

Being anti-Zionist is the favourite cover for anti-semites all over. It's an excuse.


Throwing that accusation is just a trick, admitted by an Israeli Minister. Criticising a racist state isn't racist. I guess the Native Americans were against their colonists just cause they hated white people :roll:


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10 Dec 2017, 4:04 pm

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Wtf are they fighting over, anyways?

From what I gather, at least 3 different religions (Jews, Christians, Muslims) all claim that Jerusalem is sacred & Holy to them, right? So, shouldn't that make it about the most peaceful well preserved piece of land on the face of the planet? If all of these people are so religious and that land is so special, why are none of them behaving in the ways of the teachings of their chosen faith nor protecting the city so it's preserved for all to enjoy into virtual perpetuity?

Or have I got something terribly wrong here?


The Zionist ideology is that they have a racial right to that area, because they are the chosen race of God. They see the Palestinians as vermin and want them removed. Like Moshe Dayan said in the 60's "we must tell the Palestinians, that we have no solution, you shall continue to live like dogs, and whoever wishes, may leave."

Of course there's the religious issues too, but the main thing here is that East Jerusalem is meant to be the capital of a proposed future Palestinian state.


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10 Dec 2017, 4:06 pm

Misslizard wrote:
nephets wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
nephets wrote:
Riiiiiight, Israel starts wars by being attacked? How does that work? Do we have a bit of a problem with Jewish people, perchance?

You can be anti-Zionist and not anti-Semitic all at the same time.You do know that some Jewish people oppose the way the Palestinian people are treated?
http://jfjfp.com
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.612072

Being anti-Zionist is the favourite cover for anti-semites all over. It's an excuse.

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My very Jewish friend says Zionists are crazy.How can she be an anti Semite?
Are the Jewish groups that oppose the treatment of the Palestinians anti-Semites?


That would make them a 'self hating Jew' apparently.


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10 Dec 2017, 4:11 pm

Misslizard wrote:
My very Jewish friend says Zionists are crazy.


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Wtf are they fighting over, anyways?
From what I gather, at least 3 different religions (Jews, Christians, Muslims) all claim that Jerusalem is sacred & Holy to them, right?


The answer to both questions is this is when three religious cults fight over "mythical places" then craziness ensues. It's as meaningful as the "Jedi order" disputing ownership of Mars with the "order of the unicorn"



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10 Dec 2017, 4:14 pm

Misslizard wrote:
nephets wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
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Misslizard wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
/\They have Jewish only highways?What happens if you drive on one and you're not Jewish??
The checkpoints sound awful.


Yes, and building Jewish only cities on stolen land. Sometimes the new houses are built by bulldozing the Palestinian homes down first. I doubt that happens very often as there is a separate number plate system for Jews and Palestinians. As well as the checkpoints. Some Palestinians drove on the roads in 2012 as a protest and they were arrested and their cars were seized.

I was aware of the old olive groves being destroyed but had no idea of a segregated highway.Thats just wrong on so many ways.What if you needed to get someone to the hospital and couldn't use the highway?


Oh dear, there's a lot of people on here who believe the propaganda. Israeli (including Israeli Arabs, you know the ones with more rights than in Arab countries) have had to segregate themselves from the Palestinians after countless terror attacks. It is way too easy to blame the 4 million Jews, rather than the 100 million barbarians that surround them.

Barbarians?All of them?


No, not all of them, but enough of them. Perhaps you don't watch the news. Please name a Muslim country with a stable, democratic government in the Middle East.

Probably not the neocon news specials you watch.
Democracies are not always peaceful or stable.That's a joke.
UAE,Qatar,Oman,Jordan,Cypress are all stable and safe and I would have no fear traveling to any of those countries.You'd probably be more likely to get shot here in America by some nut job in a shopping mall.
Anyway,i don't think the Sufis are causing any problems.Or do you just hate all Muslims?


Not one of the countries you name is a democracy, excepting Cypress, which is a tree. I presume you meant Cyprus, which is mostly (the Greek part) a democracy and is not Muslim.



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10 Dec 2017, 4:17 pm

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Not one of the countries you name is a democracy, exccepting Cypress, which is a tree. I presume you meant Cyprus, which is mostly (the Greek part) a democracy and is not Muslim.

If we are picking on spelling/grammar then "exccepting" does kind of breach both...



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10 Dec 2017, 4:19 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
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Wtf are they fighting over, anyways?

From what I gather, at least 3 different religions (Jews, Christians, Muslims) all claim that Jerusalem is sacred & Holy to them, right? So, shouldn't that make it about the most peaceful well preserved piece of land on the face of the planet? If all of these people are so religious and that land is so special, why are none of them behaving in the ways of the teachings of their chosen faith nor protecting the city so it's preserved for all to enjoy into virtual perpetuity?

Or have I got something terribly wrong here?


The Zionist ideology is that they have a racial right to that area, because they are the chosen race of God. They see the Palestinians as vermin and want them removed. Like Moshe Dayan said in the 60's "we must tell the Palestinians, that we have no solution, you shall continue to live like dogs, and whoever wishes, may leave."

Of course there's the religious issues too, but the main thing here is that East Jerusalem is meant to be the capital of a proposed future Palestinian state.

Zionism, by the way, is secular, i.e, is not religious.When and where did Dayan say that, please? But hey, apart from being wrong about everything, good contribution.



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10 Dec 2017, 4:26 pm

nephets wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Wtf are they fighting over, anyways?

From what I gather, at least 3 different religions (Jews, Christians, Muslims) all claim that Jerusalem is sacred & Holy to them, right? So, shouldn't that make it about the most peaceful well preserved piece of land on the face of the planet? If all of these people are so religious and that land is so special, why are none of them behaving in the ways of the teachings of their chosen faith nor protecting the city so it's preserved for all to enjoy into virtual perpetuity?

Or have I got something terribly wrong here?


The Zionist ideology is that they have a racial right to that area, because they are the chosen race of God. They see the Palestinians as vermin and want them removed. Like Moshe Dayan said in the 60's "we must tell the Palestinians, that we have no solution, you shall continue to live like dogs, and whoever wishes, may leave."

Of course there's the religious issues too, but the main thing here is that East Jerusalem is meant to be the capital of a proposed future Palestinian state.

Zionism, by the way, is secular, i.e, is not religious.When and where did Dayan say that, please? But hey, apart from being wrong about everything, good contribution.


Chosen race of God? You mean the Human Race? Which is supposedly made in the image of God.. no? Brings me back full circle to the point that anyone fighting over there for "religious" reasons isn't very religious at all or they wouldn't be killing each other and blaming their actions on their religion.

The whole thing is ridiculous. Has always been so, will always be so. Small arguments over territory or big wars in the name of faith, whatever - all the same petty crap and it's not likely to ever be resolved by rational peaceful talks because neither side has rational peaceful people.


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10 Dec 2017, 4:46 pm

nephets wrote:
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goldfish21 wrote:
Wtf are they fighting over, anyways?

From what I gather, at least 3 different religions (Jews, Christians, Muslims) all claim that Jerusalem is sacred & Holy to them, right? So, shouldn't that make it about the most peaceful well preserved piece of land on the face of the planet? If all of these people are so religious and that land is so special, why are none of them behaving in the ways of the teachings of their chosen faith nor protecting the city so it's preserved for all to enjoy into virtual perpetuity?

Or have I got something terribly wrong here?


The Zionist ideology is that they have a racial right to that area, because they are the chosen race of God. They see the Palestinians as vermin and want them removed. Like Moshe Dayan said in the 60's "we must tell the Palestinians, that we have no solution, you shall continue to live like dogs, and whoever wishes, may leave."

Of course there's the religious issues too, but the main thing here is that East Jerusalem is meant to be the capital of a proposed future Palestinian state.

Zionism, by the way, is secular, i.e, is not religious.When and where did Dayan say that, please? But hey, apart from being wrong about everything, good contribution.


Yes it is, but they still believe that they're the chosen race of God and have some kind of bloodline to Biblical characters. Late 60's, early 70's as far as I know. What am I wrong about?


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goldfish21 wrote:
nephets wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Wtf are they fighting over, anyways?

From what I gather, at least 3 different religions (Jews, Christians, Muslims) all claim that Jerusalem is sacred & Holy to them, right? So, shouldn't that make it about the most peaceful well preserved piece of land on the face of the planet? If all of these people are so religious and that land is so special, why are none of them behaving in the ways of the teachings of their chosen faith nor protecting the city so it's preserved for all to enjoy into virtual perpetuity?

Or have I got something terribly wrong here?


The Zionist ideology is that they have a racial right to that area, because they are the chosen race of God. They see the Palestinians as vermin and want them removed. Like Moshe Dayan said in the 60's "we must tell the Palestinians, that we have no solution, you shall continue to live like dogs, and whoever wishes, may leave."

Of course there's the religious issues too, but the main thing here is that East Jerusalem is meant to be the capital of a proposed future Palestinian state.

Zionism, by the way, is secular, i.e, is not religious.When and where did Dayan say that, please? But hey, apart from being wrong about everything, good contribution.


Chosen race of God? You mean the Human Race? Which is supposedly made in the image of God.. no? Brings me back full circle to the point that anyone fighting over there for "religious" reasons isn't very religious at all or they wouldn't be killing each other and blaming their actions on their religion.

The whole thing is ridiculous. Has always been so, will always be so. Small arguments over territory or big wars in the name of faith, whatever - all the same petty crap and it's not likely to ever be resolved by rational peaceful talks because neither side has rational peaceful people.


When people come to your country, mass murder you, force hundreds of thousands of you to leave and move into your houses. Then torture you for decades, it's something to fight against.


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