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23 Nov 2019, 4:26 pm

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She plead NOT GUILTY.

So, it does appear she will fight this charge based on the 1st Amendment (free speech).


I think foreseeability would make more sense than first amendment. The first amendment has some limitations. If you don't believe me, ask one of the moderators on this forum. I am pretty sure that they would at the least call it harrassment if not something more serious if you try arguing that another member of the forum would make the world a better place if they killed themself.
I think the defense attorney hinted more at diminished capacity and mental health from the video I watched this morning on masslive.com.
He described You as being very fragile and in a toxic relationship that consisted mostly of texting and phone contact.

1ST amendment defense did not work out well for Michelle Carter in 2016 cause Carter's been in an orange jump suit since then,keeping house for large Marge and big Birtha.It's going to be mental health from what I have read and seen and I have read and seen a lot because for me this case is local.


That is sort of in the realm of what I was thinking. There are many limitations on free speech. I would think the defense of not expecting to be taken seriously would make more sense than simply arguing a right to say absolutely anything. That is why I questioned getting the opinion of a moderator to explain how limitations apply for free speech atleast in the capacity of this forum.
I wouldn't worry to much about moderator's here,Google the Michelle Carter case from three years ago.Watch the video of Inyoung You's defense attorney on MassLive.That will tell you what you need to know about where this case is headed.


I am pretty sure that the moderators here would object to the idea of starting a thread titled "Name someone who should be dropped into a tree chipper while they are still breathing" that is the point I was making about the moderators here and free speech.



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23 Nov 2019, 5:04 pm

I am pretty sure that the moderators here would object to the idea of starting a thread titled "Name someone who should be dropped into a tree chipper while they are still breathing" that is the point I was making about the moderators here and free speech.[/quote]

I am sure they would,but would saying that violate Massachusetts state law is the question were trying to figure out on this thread.But I get what your saying,I doubt moderator's would go for that.


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23 Nov 2019, 5:48 pm

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1ST amendment defense did not work out well for Michelle Carter in 2016 cause Carter's been in an orange jump suit since then,keeping house for large Marge and big Birtha.It's going to be mental health from what I have read and seen and I have read and seen a lot because for me this case is local.

Michelle Carter never made a 1st amendment argument.

She is trying to appeal NOW and make a 1st amendment argument.

Lawyers Say Michelle Carter Had a First Amendment Right to Tell Her Boyfriend to Kill Himself. They're Right.
https://reason.com/2018/07/11/michelle- ... ee-speech/


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23 Nov 2019, 6:32 pm

I've been reading the US law and there is precedence for charging this woman with manslaughter.
http://masscases.com/cases/sjc/343/343mass19.html

The Massachussets court found in 1961 that the petitioner's (defendants) wife was emotionally disturbed, she had been drinking, and she had threatened to kill herself. The petitioner, instead of trying to bring her to her senses, taunted her, told her where the gun was, loaded it for her, saw that the safety was off, and told her the means by which she could pull the trigger. He thus showed a reckless disregard of his wife's safety and the possible consequences of his conduct.

The underlying principle which coincidentally has been used in Australian law is that successfully encouraging suicide falls under the criminal code where there is evidence of mental illness and vulnerability to suicide.

This was exactly how the law was interpreted In the case of Michelle Carter who was charged as culpable in the suicide of her boyfriend
https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime-la ... onviction/

There is no comparison with assisted suicide (e.g. Jack Kevorkian) where the person has a terminal illness and is in pain and seeks out suicide from a medical doctor.



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23 Nov 2019, 6:34 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
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1ST amendment defense did not work out well for Michelle Carter in 2016 cause Carter's been in an orange jump suit since then,keeping house for large Marge and big Birtha.It's going to be mental health from what I have read and seen and I have read and seen a lot because for me this case is local.

Michelle Carter never made a 1st amendment argument.

She is trying to appeal NOW and make a 1st amendment argument.

Lawyers Say Michelle Carter Had a First Amendment Right to Tell Her Boyfriend to Kill Himself. They're Right.
https://reason.com/2018/07/11/michelle- ... ee-speech/


The judge upheld her conviction
https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime-la ... onviction/



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24 Nov 2019, 12:26 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
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1ST amendment defense did not work out well for Michelle Carter in 2016 cause Carter's been in an orange jump suit since then,keeping house for large Marge and big Birtha.It's going to be mental health from what I have read and seen and I have read and seen a lot because for me this case is local.

Michelle Carter never made a 1st amendment argument.

She is trying to appeal NOW and make a 1st amendment argument.

Lawyers Say Michelle Carter Had a First Amendment Right to Tell Her Boyfriend to Kill Himself. They're Right.
https://reason.com/2018/07/11/michelle- ... ee-speech/
Carter's whole first trial was based on 1st amendment arguements,and she also lost an appeal based on 1st amendment arguements as well.She is currently appealing to the supreme court but will get out of prison before those arguements are heard.


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24 Nov 2019, 12:31 am

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There is no comparison with assisted suicide (e.g. Jack Kevorkian) where the person has a terminal illness and is in pain and seeks out suicide from a medical doctor.

I already established this point in a previous,or several previous posts.


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24 Nov 2019, 12:33 am

[quote="cyberdad"]I've been reading the US law and there is precedence for charging this woman with manslaughter.
http://masscases.com/cases/sjc/343/343mass19.html

Where did you find that old Massachusetts case,I had never heard of that one.


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24 Nov 2019, 1:05 am

vermontsavant wrote:
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I've been reading the US law and there is precedence for charging this woman with manslaughter.
http://masscases.com/cases/sjc/343/343mass19.html

Where did you find that old Massachusetts case,I had never heard of that one.


Since the Michelle Carter case was held in the state of Massachusetts I just googled the databank for similar cases in that state and found this one