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10 Jan 2022, 8:14 pm

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Then why do you favor the Republican party?

The things you've listed above are among the main things Republicans (especially the Republican donor class) have tended to be against.


Because I dislike the Democrats more, they interfere with my life to a greater extent than the GOP does, plus I find them more personally insufferable.


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10 Jan 2022, 9:08 pm

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Dick Cheney is simply stating the obvious.


People responsible for the the horrendous crime Cheney And Bush perpetrated should not even have a platform to wag their fingers at others, since they did far more damage to this country than Trump was capable of in four years.


Like it or not, freedom of speech works by allowing everyone to speak, regardless of who they are.


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10 Jan 2022, 9:09 pm

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Mona Pereth wrote:
Then why do you favor the Republican party?

The things you've listed above are among the main things Republicans (especially the Republican donor class) have tended to be against.


Because I dislike the Democrats more, they interfere with my life to a greater extent than the GOP does, plus I find them more personally insufferable.


How do they interfere with your life?


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10 Jan 2022, 9:09 pm

Smart, educated people can differ on how to prioritize politics. When its all narrowed down to two choices, neither is ever perfect, and the hyper-partisanship of the current era makes it inevitable that parties will have to do some pandering to their nut cases.

In US politics, winning 51% to 48% is a "landslide" that allows the winner to pretend there is a "mandate." REALLY? A lot of the trouble in our politics starts right there, in acting as getting 51% of the voters means the country as a whole has bought into your priorities lock, stock and barrel. That has never been true, but it seems to guide all presidential decisions, no matter who is in office.


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10 Jan 2022, 11:12 pm

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It's interesting how fast the narrative switches from "cancel culture is bad, even if you don't like them" to "they're too evil and don't deserve a platform". Here's hoping Cheney's words do actually do some good.


It hasn't escaped my notice that certain factions in the US are trying to silence Dick Cheney because it's expedient to the MAGA cause. Self serving cancellation.



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10 Jan 2022, 11:13 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Then why do you favor the Republican party?

The things you've listed above are among the main things Republicans (especially the Republican donor class) have tended to be against.


Because I dislike the Democrats more, they interfere with my life to a greater extent than the GOP does, plus I find them more personally insufferable.


How do they interfere with your life?


They trigger his conservative sensibilities :lol:



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10 Jan 2022, 11:15 pm

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Smart, educated people can differ on how to prioritize politics. When its all narrowed down to two choices, neither is ever perfect, and the hyper-partisanship of the current era makes it inevitable that parties will have to do some pandering to their nut cases..


I translate this to mean that "educated" conservatives in America are more willing to compromise their ethics by using "flowery" words to justify pandering to a nut case.



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10 Jan 2022, 11:19 pm

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It hasn't escaped my notice that certain factions in the US are trying to silence Dick Cheney because it's expedient to the MAGA cause. Self serving cancellation.


No one is trying to silence Dick Cheney, what is happening is Democrats are being called out on their hypocrisy for embracing him given their history with him, it wasn't that long ago that a good chunk of them thought he was literally Hitler.


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10 Jan 2022, 11:24 pm

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How do they interfere with your life?


Well, screwing with my gun rights would be right at the top of the list as far as actually impacting me day to day as I may be forced to leave this state if they get their way, but generally taxing and regulating everything I enjoy to death would be a close follow up, along with imposing obnoxious identity politics on the country, a general air of unearned moral and intellectual superiority delivered with an intolerable dose of smugness, I mean I could go on all day here, but I'm trying to stick to broad strokes.


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10 Jan 2022, 11:44 pm

Democrats rushing in to support and defend Dick Chaney is something to behold. Snowplows must be working overtime in hell.



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10 Jan 2022, 11:45 pm

Dox47 wrote:
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How do they interfere with your life?


Well, screwing with my gun rights would be right at the top of the list as far as actually impacting me day to day as I may be forced to leave this state if they get their way, but generally taxing and regulating everything I enjoy to death would be a close follow up, along with imposing obnoxious identity politics on the country, a general air of unearned moral and intellectual superiority delivered with an intolerable dose of smugness, I mean I could go on all day here, but I'm trying to stick to broad strokes.


Taxation and regulations are a price we pay for living in a civilized society.
Anyhow, this brings to mind a conversation Stephen Colbert had with someone or other:
Someone or other, explaining why there are laws and rules: "Such as, why can't we masturbate in public?"
Stephen Colbert: "I ask myself that every day."


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10 Jan 2022, 11:46 pm

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Democrats rushing in to support and defend Dick Chaney is something to behold. Snowplows must be working overtime in hell.


Cheney just happens to be right this time. Old time Republicans and liberals have a common enemy, now.


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11 Jan 2022, 12:00 am

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Taxation and regulations are a price we pay for living in a civilized society.


As I'm sure you know the complaint of the common man is against over-taxation. That's certainly my complaint. I've been working for the same company for 22 years, and the only perk I have from that is accumulated vacation pay. Which I cash out because I'm too poor to be able to afford a vacation. But instead of getting my annual vacation pay plus my weekly salary, I got taxed over a week's pay for my vacation pay. And in April I'll probably end up having to fork out another week's pay, on top of the big chunk the government takes out of my pay every week. And I'm pretty much on the bottom rung of the salary ladder.

Kraichgauer wrote:
Anyhow, this brings to mind a conversation Stephen Colbert had with someone or other:
Someone or other, explaining why there are laws and rules: "Such as, why can't we masturbate in public?"
Stephen Colbert: "I ask myself that every day."


What does that have to do with me getting gouged by the government while barely scraping by?



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11 Jan 2022, 12:16 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

Taxation and regulations are a price we pay for living in a civilized society.


As I'm sure you know the complaint of the common man is against over-taxation. That's certainly my complaint. I've been working for the same company for 22 years, and the only perk I have from that is accumulated vacation pay. Which I cash out because I'm too poor to be able to afford a vacation. But instead of getting my annual vacation pay plus my weekly salary, I got taxed over a week's pay for my vacation pay. And in April I'll probably end up having to fork out another week's pay, on top of the big chunk the government takes out of my pay every week. And I'm pretty much on the bottom rung of the salary ladder.

Kraichgauer wrote:
Anyhow, this brings to mind a conversation Stephen Colbert had with someone or other:
Someone or other, explaining why there are laws and rules: "Such as, why can't we masturbate in public?"
Stephen Colbert: "I ask myself that every day."


What does that have to do with me getting gouged by the government while barely scraping by?


While no one likes paying taxes, one has to remember that's how roads and the rest of the infrastructure is paid for, along with services like law enforcement and fire protection, and also the social safety net for when you become too old, sick, or injured to work. By the way, western Europeans pay more in taxes, and get much more back for services.
The last part was my attempt at humor, after recalling an interview Colbert did for the Daily Show.


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11 Jan 2022, 1:12 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

Taxation and regulations are a price we pay for living in a civilized society.


As I'm sure you know the complaint of the common man is against over-taxation. That's certainly my complaint. I've been working for the same company for 22 years, and the only perk I have from that is accumulated vacation pay. Which I cash out because I'm too poor to be able to afford a vacation. But instead of getting my annual vacation pay plus my weekly salary, I got taxed over a week's pay for my vacation pay. And in April I'll probably end up having to fork out another week's pay, on top of the big chunk the government takes out of my pay every week. And I'm pretty much on the bottom rung of the salary ladder.

Kraichgauer wrote:
Anyhow, this brings to mind a conversation Stephen Colbert had with someone or other:
Someone or other, explaining why there are laws and rules: "Such as, why can't we masturbate in public?"
Stephen Colbert: "I ask myself that every day."


What does that have to do with me getting gouged by the government while barely scraping by?


While no one likes paying taxes, one has to remember that's how roads and the rest of the infrastructure is paid for, along with services like law enforcement and fire protection, and also the social safety net for when you become too old, sick, or injured to work. By the way, western Europeans pay more in taxes, and get much more back for services.
The last part was my attempt at humor, after recalling an interview Colbert did for the Daily Show.


If Europeans get much more for what they're taxed, then they're not being over-taxed like I am.



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11 Jan 2022, 1:29 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
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Matrix Glitch wrote:
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Taxation and regulations are a price we pay for living in a civilized society.


As I'm sure you know the complaint of the common man is against over-taxation. That's certainly my complaint. I've been working for the same company for 22 years, and the only perk I have from that is accumulated vacation pay. Which I cash out because I'm too poor to be able to afford a vacation. But instead of getting my annual vacation pay plus my weekly salary, I got taxed over a week's pay for my vacation pay. And in April I'll probably end up having to fork out another week's pay, on top of the big chunk the government takes out of my pay every week. And I'm pretty much on the bottom rung of the salary ladder.

Kraichgauer wrote:
Anyhow, this brings to mind a conversation Stephen Colbert had with someone or other:
Someone or other, explaining why there are laws and rules: "Such as, why can't we masturbate in public?"
Stephen Colbert: "I ask myself that every day."


What does that have to do with me getting gouged by the government while barely scraping by?


While no one likes paying taxes, one has to remember that's how roads and the rest of the infrastructure is paid for, along with services like law enforcement and fire protection, and also the social safety net for when you become too old, sick, or injured to work. By the way, western Europeans pay more in taxes, and get much more back for services.
The last part was my attempt at humor, after recalling an interview Colbert did for the Daily Show.


If Europeans get much more for what they're taxed, then they're not being over-taxed like I am.


Blame that on American conservatives who think any notion of the government helping people is "evil socialism" creeping in.


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