Chavez: Bush should get death penalty

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30 Nov 2006, 12:30 pm

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- Exposing the identity of a U.S. couvert intelligence operative (Valerie Plame) because her husband was going to discredit the whole WMD argument.


What's more, Valerie Plame was at the time our sole source of intelligence into the nuclear program... of Iran. Now we keep hearing the noise that we may have to invade Iran because we don't know enough about their nuclear program.


Oh, and my other complaint.... Bush's deployment of the National Guard to Iraq has endangered the US. If there were a major attack on US soil, we wouldn't have enough troops at home (where they were trained for, and for that matter, what they signed up for) to react. THere was also a massive shortage of NG to aid with Katrina because they were overseas.


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30 Nov 2006, 12:40 pm

Obviously there's a huge history in the place that's called the cradle of civilization, although civilizations then, as now, tend to be pretty barbaric.

What I was wondering about is the present set of borders that define the present country we call iraq. As I understand it, the present country of iraq was invented by people in europe after the first world war. There's three separate ethnic groups there, all of which extend into neighboring countries, and I don't know if any of them have a tradition of being united with the others to form a single country.

Whose interest is served by having a country called iraq instead of some other arrangement? Maybe it's a good thing for the people there. I don't know.


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30 Nov 2006, 12:53 pm

Catalyst wrote:
What's more, Valerie Plame was at the time our sole source of intelligence into the nuclear program... of Iran. Now we keep hearing the noise that we may have to invade Iran because we don't know enough about their nuclear program.


I didn't really know much about Valerie Plame. That's really interesting that Bush jeopordized our ability to spy on Iran's nuclear program. I wonder if he had a hidden agenda to invade Iran as well.

One of my biggest problems with this war is that Iraq and Iran were strategic counterbalances to one another. It seemed to be common sense that once a major threat to Iran is neutralized, Iran will refocus its enegery on destroying the U.S. and Israel. I don't know if Bush just didn't get that, or if he seriously wanted to create a reason to invade Iran and Syria as well.

The other problem that I have is that the safety of our troops was never taken into consideration. Aside from that National Guard issue, we are trying to get the job done with a 1/3 of the troops that military strategists thought that we needed. Furthermore, now that our troops are tied up in Iraq, we can't deal with real threats such as N. Korea, and real humanitarian crises such as Darfur. That's not to say that Iraq isn't a humanitarian crisis at the moment, but it only became a humanitarian crisis after we invaded. Darfur has been a problem for years, and if we were so concerned about human rights that we were willing to invade Iraq, well we should have been much more concerned about the situation in Darfur.



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03 Dec 2006, 9:37 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/ ... index.html

Apparently Chavez's people like him.


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04 Dec 2006, 1:34 pm

Catalyst wrote:
Apparently Chavez's people like him.


It may be a matter of Chavez being in the right place at the right time. The high oil prices have been really good to him (politically speaking) because he has been able to use the funds he has gotten from the state-owned oil to fund social programs. Now, because he is so popular, he is going to try to get rid of term limits so he can run again. After that, who knows what he will do (or what he has already done) with the voting system. Ironically, since it's the oil that has made him so popular, he should probably be thanking Bush for invading Iraq and driving the oil prices up.