Gypsy laborer faces execution in Belarus

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091013/ap_ ... th_penalty

In the late and unlamented Soviet Union, families of the executed person were also billed for the cost of the bullet. I wonder if that is the case in Balaruss.

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This is most likely the case as Belarus hasn't exactly changed much since the days of the CCCP.

And their president is known as "Europe's Last Dictator". That should tell you something.

A trial, two lawyers, appeals, that is not like the old days. Six old women dead, I think they had more than a forced confession.

He might be guilty.

We have the statments of a Judge who fled to Europe seeking to be let in, he says things are bad, but had nothing to do with this. Someone plugging his book, Plugging for the State, and repeated claims of not knowing how to read. Reading is not needed to kill old women.

No one is coming forth saying he was somewhere else.

Six murders and he could not prove to be somewhere else during any of them?

Many spoke for no death sentence, no one said he should be freed.

As for the method, fast and cheap, is there somthing about waiting ten years, having a large and expensive pagent, and using a rope, electric chair, gas, injection?

Florida did not take long to try, convict, appeal, then kill, Bundy.

Your last appeal was denied, Bang!

And the dirt is gone!

Florida also allowed his family to know when and where he was being killed. There was no questions for the family over that. His family knew where his grave was (in a general sense anyway, since he was cremated and scattered).

Also, not long? Maybe compared to other cases it wasn't that long, but from the time he went on trial (1979) to when he was executed (1989) was 10 years. He was arrested (for the second time) in 1978, so there's another year. We won't count the first arrest, considering he escaped.

Without reading more about the case, it's hard to say anything for sure about it. The inability to read could factor in to it, yes; if he signed a confession and couldn't read it, there's a possibility he would have thought he signed something else. Beyond that, someone said he doesn't even know the names of the months, which suggests that perhaps he has some underlying mental problems that could make him more suspectible to confession. Another person says that he stole hens and geese, but that is not on the same level of murder and should not necessarily be considered.

As for no alibi? If he lived alone, he could very well be sleeping at night. It means nothing. I would have no alibi for weeks on end for nights, because I live alone. That doesn't equal murdered old women.

This case bothers me, both for him and his family. If doctors did indeed note that he had been beaten, the trial is a sham. You can compare as you like to Bundy, but there was solid evidence behind that, not beatings and maybe false confessions. Perhaps there is other evidence in this case, but it is not noted in the article, so it appears that the case hinged on his confession. And beyond that, a judge from Belarus said (once safely out of the country) that they're pressured into making death rulings, even if they don't feel the evidence is sufficent.

But it especially bothers me for his family. They will never know whether he is dead or alive, never know where he is. Regardless of whether he did it or not, they should not be punished for it.

Both Bernie Madoff and Sir Alan Stafford got beat up in jail recently. Claiming it was to produce a confession, why would they let him see a doctor? Beating people up is 1930s, we have electric shock now, cattle prods work!

Out of ten million, two were executed. Not going to beat Stalin's record.

There is no mention of how long the trial and appeals took, I think more than a week or two.

yes, you not only get killed, you get erased, gone, done, finished. Taking them to the village graveyard and planting them next to the people they killed has problems.

A third to half of Belaurus died in WWII, about the time I was born. That does affect social outlook.

They also got most of the fallout from Chernoble, more social stress.

They miss the old CCCP, and are forming a union with Russia. Just like the districts Georgia attacked in the south, they would rather be Russian.

Not everyone wants to join the EU and NATO, and this is press because they have rejected the West.

This gives Russia a border with Poland. As I recall there was to be a missile shield along that border, that was recently cancelled.

A lot of the old Soviet Socialist Republics are rethinking the way they have been treated by the EU, and are rejoining Russia. The Stans north of Afganistan have pushed out the American bases, and formed a joint defense pact with Russia.

While they lack a common border the Serbs have joined with Russia, both fighting Islamic invasions from the south.

Newly independant eastern Europe is finding that with freedom and democracy comes a declining standard of living, growing debt, and their money is colorful pieces of paper, backed by nothing. European lenders just want their farmland, forests, mines, and cheap labor.

State owned and backed by the Ruble was better.

Yes, yes, they are a bunch of Hun barbarians who eat babies for lunch.

In different circumstances. The problem with beating people, if done incorrectly, is that you can nearly kill someone. And beyond that, if he got a doctor visit after they had thought he had healed enough (no more visible bruises), they may have thought there would be nothing to find, but breaks can heal wrong and be noticeable.

The year is not over, and the toll will rise.

For Bundy? His appeals didn't run out until 1988. In this case, he was tried in June and his appeals are all ready gone; that's four months, tops. Part of the reason why appeals on deathsentences and the like take so long here is because evidence can come up later to exonerate them. They have had cases where it came out later that no, the person they had convicted (on far stronger evidence) is innocent afterall. They have witnesses change, technology evolve, others confess, whatever.

It's a study in arrogance to think a human being can be erased. Wish to keep him in a different cementery? Fine, but give his family a place to mourn as well.

I'm unsure if you actually read the entire article. Belarus's leader is trying to get more approval from other parts of Europe at the moment. Quite frankly, in general, I don't care what they wish to be a part of; I care about the people who are suffering the consequences. I don't think they're a wrong people overall (as you seem to think I do), but their justice system needs revamping.

As for their history and whatnot? Sorry, but that doesn't give them the right to start ignoring human rights. If an individual was attacked, they wouldn't get to start killing everyone who might have done it. Russia has a habit of doing that; they've had cases where they've executed multiple people until they finally got the right one.

If you wish to dismiss everything, that's your choice, of course.

American justice and human rights are far from perfect. We have the highest percentage in jail, and a high crime rate.

China will kill you if you steal money, make money from insider trading, and other crimes that do not rate the death penelty here, none rate it in Europe.

What came out in India recently was the police hunt down people and kill them, much cheaper than trials. It was that way in America, Wanted, dead or alive. Rewards were offered.

A horse thief was given a fair trial, then taken out and hung.

We hung people for property crime, England hung pickpockets, so a serial killer in Belarus got killed.