Children busted for home brewed porn

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Some kids in Auz have got into trouble for filming a sexual encounter between two children (with a cellphone) and then sending it around the school. Also in Sweden a girl got busted for filming two friends having sex in the garden

Do you think it right or wrong for the state to punish them ? If so then what should be done with these children ?

http://www.news.com.au/technology/colac ... 5855009565
http://www.thelocal.se/9518/20071228/

They need to change the sexual education to take into account new technology and stress to the children the ramifications of letting people film them doing sexual acts. Im sure a 14 year old probably cant imagine how bad its going to be to have everyone in their town see that sort of film of them, Im sure they just did not imagine the outcome. I dont think they should be punnished just put on a sexual education and self esteem/assertiveness course or given therapy.

You have a good point that the average 14 year old is unlikely to be aware of the ramifications of making a film of them having sex or worst still posting it on the web.

I have seen some of the trouble which occurs when children post threats on the web, they do not understand that every action on line leaves a electronic trail. I hold the view that anything inside a computer is close to impossible to expunge while if it is sent from one machine to another then it is impossible to destroy every copy. I think that children need to be taught that the internet has a very long memory.

I know about the wayback machine, I would be interested to know how many children have heard of it. The wayback machine will copy close to everything on the web every few months. Six months after collection it is possible to look at the old version.

These kids are well aware of what they're doing by that age and should be punished for it.

A few years ago in my area, two sixth graders had sex in a classroom full of other students. The other students were actually blocking the door for them so the teacher wouldn't catch them! These kids were eleven at the time...

so if an adult was haveing sex with them would you say the 11 year old or 14 year old knew exactly what they were doing?

Yes, I do think they would. Around here, we started learning sex education at age nine. Plus many kids these days have access to whatever they want via online. You'd be very surprised at what a ten/eleven-year-old would know.

For the record, I two have little cousins whom are thirteen and they definitely know all of this stuff as well.

I would say yes and no. The average teenager knows where babies come from, how it is wrong to force people to have sex with you (rape) and what sex is, but has no understanding of how destructive an effect sexual jealousy can have on a person.

You seem to be making the erroneous assumption that knowing what sex is equates to having the competency to make decisions about whether or not to have sex. It is a matter of biological fact that the part of the brain that makes complex long range decisions is simply not developed in children of this age. No amount of knowledge changes the fact that the brains of children are simply not up to scratch when it comes to making decisions of this kind of magnitude.

Children of this age simply cannot conceive of the magnitude of their acts. It's not a matter of knowledge, but partially a matter of life experience and predominately a matter of immature neurology.

well the idea of the age of consent is that children do not have the faculties to consent to sex, so therefore they do not know what they are doing and need protecting. Do you therefore think the age of consent should be lowered or do you think there should be one rule for 'inocent' teenagers who should be protected and another rule for 'non inocent' teenagers who should be sexually exploited.

God, people. Children aren't stupid. Believe it or not, yes, they are aware of these sorts of things. No one is living in the stone age anymore. I'm going by what I've seen and heard.

When I was fourteen, I was molested and I knew perfectly well what was going on. I was able to escape before it could get any farther (and it definitely would have). I was still a bit clueless of some things at that age, but I knew perfectly well about all of that.

This is my last reply to this message. End of discussion.

Very well, Lightning88, your positing of a strawman fallacy (arguing against something no one is suggesting, as no one is claiming children lack factual awareness regarding sex) followed by an immediate and hasty retreat is noted.

pandd,

You are concocting a scientific justification for societal rules which are clearly CULTURAL and not biological. I say this because there are cultures which do not place age restrictions on sexually explicit media, the most notable being Japan where there are erotic comics specifically aimed at children. In most European and Latin American countries, nudity and sexuality are widespread in popular media and kids are exposed to it from an early age. Also, age of consent laws were created to protect children(& teens) against pedophiles and sexual predators(including adult family members since many abusers are parents or step parents)from exploiting children to fulfill their own perverted desires. A lot of pedo-rapists stupidly assume that childrens sexual inexperience precludes them from understanding what the adult is doing and that they are being violated, NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH!

The issue in all cases was making videos, spreading said videos, which is a crime.

It would be a crime if they were adults and the video was spread about without their consent.

It is accepted that children do engage in sex, and if they are within a few years in age there is no crime.

The couple on the trampoline had a reasonable expectation of privacy, which was violated.

The girl in the gym did not.

The issue in all cases was misuse of technology.

Charging them with child porn is pretty stupid imo. They should be punished but making them sex offenders is just cruel.

Child porn is child porn, and the young people filming the acts are old enough to know better than to commit such a grave crime. I have no sympathy for the criminals in these cases, no matter their age.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but surely underage porn is illegal to stop pedophiles watching and creating it? And since this involved only the minors themselves, I think it is the laws that are being misused in this case.

BTW, I'm a 15 year old, and my brother is a few years younger. It's safe to say we both know about sex, as does every other person our age I have ever met.