Unemployment benefits cut entirely in Arizona

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Sure, everyone dies, but we as a society don't have to hurry up the process by turning a blind eye to those in need.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Most churches that teach Judeo-Christian ethics advocate an economic system based on pure Capitalism and Social Darwinism. Therefore they teach that socialized medicine is evil. Besides the church teaches that socialized medicine is unbiblical because the concept of health insurance is a modern one.

I think that could be applied to many churches on the religious right, but such notions are hardly universal in mainline churches. I've brought those very questions up in bible studies, and to various pastors of my faith, and they were all in agreement that Social Darwinism and pure capitalism are hardly keeping with real Christianity. They also felt that if America considers itself a Christian nation, then the government as well as individuals have a responsibility to care for the needy.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

One has to remember that the religious right has a complete monopoly on all of the radio and televison broadcasts. I have never ever heard on radio or television a sermon that advocated taxing the rich on behalf of the poor. As a matter of fact most religious right teachers consider such taxation as outright theft and declare that the reason any person is poor is that he does not want to work and the government should let that person starve. The religious right feels all taxation is theft even if taxes are raised to help victims of hurricane Katrina. The religious right has gone on record stating that the victims of that hurricane disaster were just looking for a handout.

All religions are fariy tales. It is what the hearer wants to hear. Christian covers a wide range of views.

Economics says, there is only so much money, how do we best apply it to to needs that will always be greater than means.

Some needs come first. One is not killing the goose that lays golden eggs.

To do anything else you must first have something.

It starts with raising healthy and educated children, then having a social structure that lets them become productive.

Yes, there are people who will die today that $100,000 in medical treatment would live another week. There are people who have health and mental problems that prevent them from becoming educated and productive.

There are healthy people who chose to live by robbing others.

All funds could be spent to reform the criminals, get the mental defectives degrees, and privide for the infirm. Just as all funds can pay people not to work when companies are bought and sent abroad.

The result is the majority of children coming up do not get a good start in life, and do not have the oppertunity to be as productive. They will not be able to maintain a social safety net, as even current university grads are finding that even minium wage entry jobs, flipping burgers, are not available.

In my area construction contractors have no work, but do have a truck, and lawn mower. They move down to lawn care, which is where people used to start. People of fifty are clerking in stores, running fast food, and blocking the future for the young.

Their income will be affected for decades, they will miss out on on the job training, and the remains of our economy will suffer going forward.

This was brought about by affordable homes programs. Nothing down, 103% mortgage, no documents of earnings, and an ARM mortgage.

It did not help the poor become home owners, it did make some fast bucks for realators, mortgage brokers, banks, before the bottom fell out. It lead to a meltdown of world credit markets.

Universal health care without limits will have the same results. Health care corporations, drug companies, will reap short term profits. consoladate the industry, and when the bubble bursts, we will have less health care.

Out of 325 million, we have 100 million workers, 100 million children, and 100 million old and retired. 15 million illegals, and 10 million filling jails and other intitutions.

As the 100 million workers produce everything, they should be protected. The 100 million children need to be raised and educated to replace the workers. The retired did carry the world, and deserve the comforts of old age.

We do have a social safety net, and most have private insurance, savings, retirement accounts, so they never have to use it.

Some have earned government paid health care, VA, Medicare, most bought it. Giving that away to everyone, and forcing some to pay more, is not a national health plan. It is looting the existing paid for health insurance.

It is like car insurance, three DUIs, three wrecks, people injured, if you are ever allowed to drive you will pay a lot for insurance. They would like to share flat rate insurance.

Should all retirement accounts be shared equally among all people?

Those who work, save, plan for the future, should not be treated the same as those who do not.

A Citizen, a person born in the United States, who at least one of their parents is subject to the jursidiction thereof, has a different status, Rights and Obligations, than someone who crossed the border at night, went to a hospital, and gave birth to an anchor baby. They are not a Citizen, nor is their child, and We The People should not be paying for their medical care, education, and supplying social services.

They should be arrested, their childs birth certificate marked Mexican National, and deported.

That's unfortunately very true. With the exception of The Lutheran Hour, I don't know off hand of any other mainline Christian broadcast. And with the religious right's affiliation with the political right, and their embracing of prosperity theology, they're hardly friends of the poor. You'd think that people who claim to take the bible literally would recognize how they bear little resemblance to the example Christ set.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

The simple fact is though, not everyone is going to be healthy, wealthy, and wise. It's not a matter of penalizing those who by happenstance or design are more equipped to survive in the long term by using public money to give a helping hand to those in need. Altruism and compassion have always been American values, and that means those who have give a hand up to those who don't.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

The religious right/political right claim being rich or poor is all due to an individual's choices in life. They propagate that everyone regardless of their background and can work their way up to become rich through hard work. They do not mention they started off from a wealthy family, huge trust fund, a special talent:(music or sports) or had a good education that enabled them to be successful in life. The Hollywood rags to riches story tale is pushed by the religious right as a realistic goal that everyone can achieve through hard work.

That, and a crude misinterpretation of Calvinistic doctrine, that God gives worldly wealth to the righteous, while the evil are cursed with poverty.
Works well with their completely unbiblical prosperity theology.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

By definition no matter how hard everyone works not everyone can be rich simply becavse for every rich man there has to be a poor man.

You're lucky and I agree totally. SSI is a complete joke and barely enough to live on.

If it's barely enough for you to live on, then you are better off than most on SSI.

What could Arizona possibly do? This is happening to most of the country right now.

Yes, it sucks that people in unfortunate circumstances cannot find a job and then have their only income cut. That's the price we pay in a capitalistic society.

We are consuming more than we are producing. This shows in our consumer debt.

There is a lot Arizona covld do to help the vnemployed bvt the rich conservatives covld care less . Rich people think that the vnemployed don't want to work even thovgh it is impossible to find a job becavse of the bad economy.

If it were impossible to get a job the unemployment rate would be 100 percent.

ruveyn

I could actually point two things out:
1: Unemployment numbers for the nation come from unemployment offices, which only count the people currently ON unemployment, and though yes there were alot of people that got extended benefits for up to 99 weeks or w/e the cap was set for at the time, there were before, were some then, and have been alot since, that were only on it for 26 weeks, and after that they're just left to wander through w/e they can scrape together to call their life without benefit of even being included in the "Unemployment statistic", so the # of unemployed is actually higher then the the reported "Unemployment rate".....

2: Just because alot of people did lose their jobs before the recession hit doesn't mean that everyone lost their jobs.... So even though it would be an absolute tragedy if 50% of the nation was unemployed, the bigger issue at stake here is the rate of job creation. If 90% of the nation is employed (We'll just say 270 Million people), and there are only a total of 271 Million jobs available, life is pretty rough for the remaining 29 Million people. Yes, it can be impossible to find a job even though the majority is employed. Unemployment is a balancing act of keeping Turn Over down, and Raising Job Creation, and its never easy and always tricky. I think more-so at this point in time.

@Everyone else. The problem isn't solely an issue of "Rich vs Poor". Poor people could help each other out more by doing simple things like networking and trying to help each other. But I agree that the single biggest obstacle of reform atm is the "gimme gimme" attitude shared by most people, most notably those with money to horde. There are more US Treasury notes available now then at any time previously in history, and were just supposed to accept that there are also more going jobless and presumably hungry (I have yet to see any information on this, if you have some, please feel free to post it. Though I have no idea how it could be accurately collected)?

Further, Taxing business' for any reasons is a dumb idea. It just gets passed onto the employees most directly, and the client more indirectly. We've had 11 years now of Trickle Down theory, and its total BS, just like almost every Liberal and Middle Ground Economist you care to name in the Nation (And some outside) said 11 years ago when Bush put it forward as his proposed Budget Plan.... I almost s**t a brick when Obama continued it for another 2 years, I can only imagine hes trying to be re-elected..... And by the way, by this Im reffering to the fact that the top 2% were taxed ~70% of their earnings from the early 20th century up to ~ the Bush administration. It varied at different times for alot of different reasons, but Bush's Plan and Actions lowered that down to ~40%..... the loss of 30% of an annual income of $500 Million-$2Billion x the roughly 2Million people that earn that is a pretty hefty blow to any economy. Particularly after an insane Government Spending spree, IE add the cost of 2 wars totaling roughly 10+ Trillion Dollars, and Heavily Lessened Controls on Business' (Again /salute Bush), which led to things like more outsourcing (Its not NAFTA thats killing our jobs btw. You're not speaking to Mexicans when you call a companies Customer Service line, you're speaking to Indians or Phillipino's usually. Mexicans aren't going to college (Drug wars have that affect on nations, getting shot at while in Kindergarten isn't conducive to wanting to continue with higher education), Chinese and Indians are, hence they're designing and building more then we are now), and morddenle importantly, less oversight on things like, you guessed it, financial institutions..... Bush was barely 6 months out of office and we suddenly had 4 Major Embezzlement/Fraud cases sitting before Congressional Grand Juries? Because Stealing from your business always helps an economy grow right? ........

Anyway, the problems were facing are alot bigger and more complex then any one person here probably knows (This is the point of my post, including the history). If you really want to see improvement, VOTE. PICK who you vote for VERY carefully. Read up about them, use that google engine for something besides porn, Facebook, and/or Blogs. Yes, there are problems with the two party system, but short of actual revolution to get it changed, its not going nowhere (A:I doubt many of you would really want to do that, and B;Apathy never improved anything for the apathetic), so pick the one you think has the GREATEST ability to do what you want. Otherwise the guy you hate because he doesn't want to do anything you want is gonna get elected, and screw things up further for you. Yes, the Electorate has the final say in PRESIDENTIAL elections, but if you read up some history, they've *almost* never gone against the majority (50+1 %), and they've NEVER gone against a Landslide (That... Ive ever found anyway).....

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