Newtown school shooter = Aspie?
And let's not forget that as soon as something like this happens, every quack with a degree in bigotry rushes to "diagnose" the killer. To ensure the "normal" people that this happened because the killer was "broken" and a "normal" person would never do something like this. You hear that masses? You are better than the people you ostracize! So keep on ostracizing them!
It used to be that anyone who didn't "fit in" could go out and live in the wilderness. It wasn't a very easy option, but it was an option.
But now there is no more room to be alone. There is nowhere to run. There is nowhere to hide. Treat someone like an animal for enough years and that's what they'll become. Antagonize a cornered beast, and what do you expect to happen?
As bad as this was, I am impressed it doesn't happen more often.
well said, I can feel your emotion, very insightful thanks
The severity of the abuse, the sensitivity of the victim, the feeling of hopelessness, no escape?
So some people are destroyed by verbal or physical abuse, some feel they are fighting their enemies (Kliebold and Harris), some (most?) survive it and live their lives, albeit carrying bad memories.
Mr. Lanza was not being abused, however, that was in the past, unless there was a possibility of his mother mistreating him, and there has been nothing like that even implied.
Even If he was Autistic, there are seven MILLION of us who are not hurting anyone!
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Kliebold and Harris weren't bullied either, and Kliebold displayed psychopathic tendencies long before the shooting spree occurred. But point well taken. Although there is no indication that Lanzo was bullied and even if he was it is very strange he would take it out on preschool kids. More likely he too was also psychotic or deeply disturbed. And yes Asperger's can cause rage in some people. I have a cousin who is Aspergic and he can throw violent tantrums if he doesn't get his way. So don't pretend that those with asperger's aren't capable of violence, because this simply isn't the case.
incorrect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Harri ... d#Bullying
Bullying
In Eric Harris' journal, he wrote about the bullying he received: "Everyone is always making fun of me because of how I look, and how f*****g weak I am and s**t. Well, I will get you all back: ultimate f*****g revenge here. You people could have shown more respect, treated me better, asked for my knowledge or guidance more, treated me more like a senior, and maybe I wouldn't have been as ready to tear your f*****g heads off...That's where a lot of my hate grows from. The fact that I have practically no self-esteem. Especially concerning girls and looks and such. therefore people make fun of me...constantly...therefore I get no respect and therefore I get f*****g PISSED" and "Whatever I do people make fun of me, and sometimes directly to my face. I'll get revenge soon enough. f*****s shouldn't have ripped on me so much, huh! HA!"[25]
Dylan Klebold said on the Basement Tapes that his older brother Byron and his friends constantly "ripped on" him and that everyone (including those at school) except his family treated him "like the runt of the litter".[26] He also said, "You've been giving us s**t for years. You're f*****g gonna pay for all the s**t! We don't give a s**t. Because we're gonna die doing it."[27]
Nathan Vanderau, a friend of Klebold, and Alisa Owen, Harris' eighth-grade science partner, reported that Harris and Klebold were constantly picked on. Vanderau noted that a "cup of fecal matter" was thrown at them.[28]
In Harris' 1998 yearbook, Klebold wrote "my wrath for January's incident will be GOD-LIKE. Not to mention our revenge in the commons."
Brooks Brown believes that the "January incident" refers to a humiliating event, if not their arrest for breaking into a van, exactly the kind of thing that would focus their hatred on the "commons," the usual name for the school cafeteria.
"People surrounded them in the commons and squirted ketchup packets all over them, laughing at them, calling them fa***ts," Brown says. "That happened while teachers watched. They couldn't fight back. They wore the ketchup all day and went home covered with it."[29]
In his book, No Easy Answers: The Truth Behind Death at Columbine, Brown wrote that Harris was born with mild chest indent. This made him reluctant to take his shirt off in gym class, and other students would laugh at him.[30]
"A lot of the tension in the school came from the class above us," Chad Laughlin insists. "There were people fearful of walking by a table where you knew you didn't belong, stuff like that. Certain groups certainly got preferential treatment across the board. I caught the tail end of one really horrible incident, and I know Dylan told his mother that it was the worst day of his life."
That incident, according to Laughlin, involved seniors pelting Klebold with "ketchup-covered tampons" in the commons.[31]
to infer that someone like Lanza was not bullied is a little naive, going by his appearance
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When my mom and I were talking about it on the way to pick up my new glasses, she mentioned that they believed the guy had Asperger's. She kind of made it seem like I would act exactly the same way, too. She kept eying me.
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Oh yeah...
The bigger problem is how people's image of people with Asperger's may morph into us all being gun-toting outcasts who commit shootings to take our revenge on the society that rejected us.
Constitutionally protected rights should be protect for all unless there is a serious danger involved in protecting it. By denying us the right, it means the public will see us as a danger.
Once again - a total miss understanding of Asperger's and empathy.
There are 3 main types of empathy but Aspergers only have problems with one of them:
* Empathic Concern (Sympathy)
* Affective Empathy (feeling the pain, sorrow, love etc of others - what most people call empathy)
* Cognitive Empathy (understanding the thoughts, perspectives and motivations of others)
It is only this third type Aspergers have problems with, most Asperger's have no issues with the first two. In fact there is some good evidence that the first two work very well in us.
The reason that we have a problem with this third type of empathy is not because we have some mental defect -- We think differently and react differently than the NTs - I will bet that if NTs were tested for this ability with Asperger's they would do no better than we do when trying to use such an ability on NTs, and probably not as well (due to lack of practice). In other words - NTs are probably no better as guessing what an Asperger's is thinking than an Asperger's is at guessing what an NT is thinking!
An illustration: a couple years back I was at a computer event there were both "normal people" and geeks (and the geek of interest was strongly Asperger's) at the event. There was this one geek at a table showing off his abilities at cracking into non-responsive computers. An NT had been standing nearby and made the comment "You some kinda uber-Geek or something" - the geek replied "why, thank you" - where upon the NT shot back "Didn't mean it as a complement!" - the geek said "But I take is as one" - the NT huffed and left. - This NT had completely misread the geek.
I remember a story from an Asperger's mother that could often see meltdowns coming not only for her Aspie son but also for the other Aspie children on outings - However, the NT chaperones were nearly always caught off guard and were clueless.
So it very much looks like that we can read other Asperger's better than NTs can read us - This is nothing more than - for someone to read you - the both of you must be using very similar thought processes. So from my point of view we and the NTs do about the same at this type of empathy - which is fairly good with our own - but not so good with different mental types.
It is the first two types of empathy that stops us and most others from harming the people around them. On the other hand psychopaths that does have Cognitive Empathy but lack Empathic Concern
Affective Empathy are quite likely to commit violent crimes against those around them.
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Did He?
He may have been truly insane and have no idea of what he was doing - or a psychopath and had no ability to understand the effects of his actions.
This guy is dead - had he lived and had this happened in my State of Alaska we do not have the not-guilty by reason of insanity defense - but rather the pleading of Guilty and Insane. In both cases he would go to a mental hospital, the difference is that he would not get out of serving his sentence if he was found to be sane at some future time.
I have one more thing to say here --- I feel that his name should never be used again.
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Anyone who can think rationally will know it's obviously other factors that caused him to do this. Either being emotionally disturbed, depressed or having a "personality disorder".
America has problems, but so does the rest of the West. We have had shootings like this here (U.K), and most people here aren't in possession of firearms.
Personally I think it would be better if there were tougher gun laws. But obviously that isn't the sole reason why you have these shootings happening. My incredibly uneducated opinion is that urbanized and consumerist societies foster alienation and social exclusion, and that inevitably leads to these tragic events.
Piers Morgan, and everything he embodies, is one of the many things wrong with modern society.
America has problems, but so does the rest of the West. We have had shootings like this here (U.K), and most people here aren't in possession of firearms.
Personally I think it would be better if there were tougher gun laws. But obviously that isn't the sole reason why you have these shootings happening. My incredibly uneducated opinion is that urbanized and consumerist societies foster alienation and social exclusion, and that inevitably leads to these tragic events.
Agree, Acedia. I think the reasons for such behaviour are many and complicated.
However, allowing people to possess guns isn't helping. If you like shooting you can do it on the computer or in a special shooting club where the weapons are kept locked away when not in use for sports. Of course there are people who are responsible gun owners, but the risks of having one madman possessing a gun far outweigh the rights of others to possess a gun. A gun is not a necessity, it's a luxury and it's too dangerous. Those things are made for killing.
As for that murderer having Aspergers: I wish they should keep such things out of the news.
Having a form of autism does not make a person more likely to become a killer.
However, many people who know little of autism will perceive it that way. Which may lead to discrimination of autistic individuals.
Also, autistic people may be more reluctant to get diagnosed, which potentially could limit their access to help and support.
Although a diagnosis does not always mean you get support.
So you're saying I have to give up and not be allowed to pursue my special interest because someone else did something bad? Even though I've never showed ANY signs of violence in my life?
That's pretty much telling me that the government believes me to be a danger to others even though I have absolutely no history of violence.
All it would do is lead to more stereotyping, discrimination, profiling and mistrust.
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