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01 Oct 2013, 6:59 pm
Thelibrarian wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
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Librarian -
Sharpton and Jackson had come to the public aid of Trayvon's parents, as the police had been content not to charge the shooter of an unarmed teenage boy. Sure, Zimmerman had been acquitted, but without Reverends Sharpton and Jackson, he would never have seen the inside of a courtroom. I had listened to the case fairly closely, I think, and never once had I heard any real white bashing - just how blacks have been given the short end of the stick regarding justice.
As for past wrongs against blacks - that would include having been enslaved at all, regardless if their masters were kind or cruel. Following that, Jim Crow laws that had ensured a separate, inferior status for black Americans. While that is of course in the past, the legacy of inequality forced upon blacks still lives on to this day, with high unemployment and poor education in predominant black areas. Not to mention how blacks still get the short end of the stick in the criminal justice system. Case in point - blacks and whites use drugs in equal proportions, and yet it's blacks who are sent to prison in greater numbers for drug offenses, and their neighborhoods are occupied by the police as if they were a foreign army (name one white suburb where that is the case). I could go on and on - but I won't.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Sharpton and Jackson had come to the public aid of Trayvon's parents, as the police had been content not to charge the shooter of an unarmed teenage boy. Sure, Zimmerman had been acquitted, but without Reverends Sharpton and Jackson, he would never have seen the inside of a courtroom. I had listened to the case fairly closely, I think, and never once had I heard any real white bashing - just how blacks have been given the short end of the stick regarding justice.
As for past wrongs against blacks - that would include having been enslaved at all, regardless if their masters were kind or cruel. Following that, Jim Crow laws that had ensured a separate, inferior status for black Americans. While that is of course in the past, the legacy of inequality forced upon blacks still lives on to this day, with high unemployment and poor education in predominant black areas. Not to mention how blacks still get the short end of the stick in the criminal justice system. Case in point - blacks and whites use drugs in equal proportions, and yet it's blacks who are sent to prison in greater numbers for drug offenses, and their neighborhoods are occupied by the police as if they were a foreign army (name one white suburb where that is the case). I could go on and on - but I won't.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Sir, the facts show that Saint Trayvon was beating the daylights out of George Zimmerman. Why is it you think whites have no right to defend themselves? Zimmerman should have been given a medal for what he did.
And how about the Duke affair? What's your excuse for that one?
How about Tawana Brawley?
I never said whites don't have a right to defend themselves - I just object to the police deciding they could determine guilt or innocence, and just letting Zimmerman go. In our system, only a jury in a court of law can conclude that. It wasn't up to the police to give Zimmerman a "get out of jail free" card.
And I'm afraid I have no idea what the "Duke affair" is.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Bill, the police are always the first line of response, but the district attorney has the final say in such matters. Let me give you an example: Early new year's morning on 2011, a drunk crashed through my barbed wire fence, four-wheeled it through three-quarters of a mile of my pasture, and when I saw him he was driving around my house. Let me tell you, it's enough to make you soil your drawers. So, I wound up taking a couple of shots with a twelve-gauge in the ground, and wound up holding him at gunpoint for 45 minutes until the sheriff could get out there. All the sheriff said to me was, "good job", and hauled him off to jail. That was the end of it. Should I have been taken to trial for attempted murder?
Of course not. You demonstrated self control and didn't kill him.
Zimmerman and Martin both had ended up in a terrible situation where both were fired up and afraid of the other. That was a recipe for a disaster.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
01 Oct 2013, 7:37 pm
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Kraichgauer
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01 Oct 2013, 10:28 pm
Thelibrarian wrote:
Of course not. You demonstrated self control and didn't kill him.
Zimmerman and Martin both had ended up in a terrible situation where both were fired up and afraid of the other. That was a recipe for a disaster.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
As far as me demonstrating self-control, I also wasn't having my head bashed in. Otherwise, you bet I would've shot him. Should I have been financially ruined by having to defend myself in a murder trial?
I think what is really sad is that this whole sordid incident has made people not want to get involved, and not to interact with their neighbors. I could grant you that Zimmerman may have been officious. But at least he was willing to take the time to get involved to keep his neighborhood safe. Had Saint Trayvon been anything other than a thug, he would've been thanking Zimmerman instead of bashing his head in. Why would anybody want to volunteer their time for neighborhood watch when this could easily happen to them as well? So, the result is that lower-income neighborhoods in particular will be less safe.
Zimmerman and Martin both had ended up in a terrible situation where both were fired up and afraid of the other. That was a recipe for a disaster.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
As far as me demonstrating self-control, I also wasn't having my head bashed in. Otherwise, you bet I would've shot him. Should I have been financially ruined by having to defend myself in a murder trial?
I think what is really sad is that this whole sordid incident has made people not want to get involved, and not to interact with their neighbors. I could grant you that Zimmerman may have been officious. But at least he was willing to take the time to get involved to keep his neighborhood safe. Had Saint Trayvon been anything other than a thug, he would've been thanking Zimmerman instead of bashing his head in. Why would anybody want to volunteer their time for neighborhood watch when this could easily happen to them as well? So, the result is that lower-income neighborhoods in particular will be less safe.
Ann's correct, we have strayed from the point of this thread - and I admit my culpability in that, as the divergent discussions have been absolutely fascinating.
I will say this - Trayvon Martin lost his life, and his parents will mourn his passing for the rest of their lives. They would not want their son to be remembered only as a thug.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
02 Oct 2013, 6:24 am
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02 Oct 2013, 8:21 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
Of course not. You demonstrated self control and didn't kill him.
Zimmerman and Martin both had ended up in a terrible situation where both were fired up and afraid of the other. That was a recipe for a disaster.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
As far as me demonstrating self-control, I also wasn't having my head bashed in. Otherwise, you bet I would've shot him. Should I have been financially ruined by having to defend myself in a murder trial?
I think what is really sad is that this whole sordid incident has made people not want to get involved, and not to interact with their neighbors. I could grant you that Zimmerman may have been officious. But at least he was willing to take the time to get involved to keep his neighborhood safe. Had Saint Trayvon been anything other than a thug, he would've been thanking Zimmerman instead of bashing his head in. Why would anybody want to volunteer their time for neighborhood watch when this could easily happen to them as well? So, the result is that lower-income neighborhoods in particular will be less safe.
Zimmerman and Martin both had ended up in a terrible situation where both were fired up and afraid of the other. That was a recipe for a disaster.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
As far as me demonstrating self-control, I also wasn't having my head bashed in. Otherwise, you bet I would've shot him. Should I have been financially ruined by having to defend myself in a murder trial?
I think what is really sad is that this whole sordid incident has made people not want to get involved, and not to interact with their neighbors. I could grant you that Zimmerman may have been officious. But at least he was willing to take the time to get involved to keep his neighborhood safe. Had Saint Trayvon been anything other than a thug, he would've been thanking Zimmerman instead of bashing his head in. Why would anybody want to volunteer their time for neighborhood watch when this could easily happen to them as well? So, the result is that lower-income neighborhoods in particular will be less safe.
Ann's correct, we have strayed from the point of this thread - and I admit my culpability in that, as the divergent discussions have been absolutely fascinating.
I will say this - Trayvon Martin lost his life, and his parents will mourn his passing for the rest of their lives. They would not want their son to be remembered only as a thug.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Bill, I too have enjoyed it. While Ann is right that what we are discussing is hardly germane to the topic, that's the way conversations drift.
As far as Saint Trayvon goes, the fact remains he WAS a thug, and his parents likely bear some of the blame for that situation. The entire reason Saint Trayvon was around Zimmerman was because he had been suspended from school for possession of cannabis, possessing burglary tools, and likely stolen property. Considering Saint Trayvon was a known drug users, it was also likely the case that those Skittles and canned iced tea were not innocent either. I present the following for your consideration:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_drank
As far as Lewthwaite goes, since Britain isn't enlightened enough to have capital punishment, let's hope she goes down fighting and is killed in action so it will be guaranteed she will never hurt another innocent person again.
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02 Oct 2013, 8:21 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
Of course not. You demonstrated self control and didn't kill him.
Zimmerman and Martin both had ended up in a terrible situation where both were fired up and afraid of the other. That was a recipe for a disaster.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
As far as me demonstrating self-control, I also wasn't having my head bashed in. Otherwise, you bet I would've shot him. Should I have been financially ruined by having to defend myself in a murder trial?
I think what is really sad is that this whole sordid incident has made people not want to get involved, and not to interact with their neighbors. I could grant you that Zimmerman may have been officious. But at least he was willing to take the time to get involved to keep his neighborhood safe. Had Saint Trayvon been anything other than a thug, he would've been thanking Zimmerman instead of bashing his head in. Why would anybody want to volunteer their time for neighborhood watch when this could easily happen to them as well? So, the result is that lower-income neighborhoods in particular will be less safe.
Zimmerman and Martin both had ended up in a terrible situation where both were fired up and afraid of the other. That was a recipe for a disaster.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
As far as me demonstrating self-control, I also wasn't having my head bashed in. Otherwise, you bet I would've shot him. Should I have been financially ruined by having to defend myself in a murder trial?
I think what is really sad is that this whole sordid incident has made people not want to get involved, and not to interact with their neighbors. I could grant you that Zimmerman may have been officious. But at least he was willing to take the time to get involved to keep his neighborhood safe. Had Saint Trayvon been anything other than a thug, he would've been thanking Zimmerman instead of bashing his head in. Why would anybody want to volunteer their time for neighborhood watch when this could easily happen to them as well? So, the result is that lower-income neighborhoods in particular will be less safe.
Ann's correct, we have strayed from the point of this thread - and I admit my culpability in that, as the divergent discussions have been absolutely fascinating.
I will say this - Trayvon Martin lost his life, and his parents will mourn his passing for the rest of their lives. They would not want their son to be remembered only as a thug.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Bill, I too have enjoyed it. While Ann is right that what we are discussing is hardly germane to the topic, that's the way conversations drift.
As far as Saint Trayvon goes, the fact remains he WAS a thug, and his parents likely bear some of the blame for that situation. The entire reason Saint Trayvon was around Zimmerman was because he had been suspended from school for possession of cannabis, possessing burglary tools, and likely stolen property. Considering Saint Trayvon was a known drug users, it was also likely the case that those Skittles and canned iced tea were not innocent either. I present the following for your consideration:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_drank
As far as Lewthwaite goes, since British elites aren't enlightened enough to allow capital punishment, let's hope she goes down fighting and is killed in action so it will be guaranteed she will never hurt another innocent person again.
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02 Oct 2013, 9:52 am
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Okay, so how does a girl from Aylesbury, UK become a mastermind of a terrorist strike by the age of 29.
By converting to Islam and having her mind twisted into a pretzel by one of the vilest, most wicked religions ever conceived.
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02 Oct 2013, 2:43 pm
Thelibrarian wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
Of course not. You demonstrated self control and didn't kill him.
Zimmerman and Martin both had ended up in a terrible situation where both were fired up and afraid of the other. That was a recipe for a disaster.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
As far as me demonstrating self-control, I also wasn't having my head bashed in. Otherwise, you bet I would've shot him. Should I have been financially ruined by having to defend myself in a murder trial?
I think what is really sad is that this whole sordid incident has made people not want to get involved, and not to interact with their neighbors. I could grant you that Zimmerman may have been officious. But at least he was willing to take the time to get involved to keep his neighborhood safe. Had Saint Trayvon been anything other than a thug, he would've been thanking Zimmerman instead of bashing his head in. Why would anybody want to volunteer their time for neighborhood watch when this could easily happen to them as well? So, the result is that lower-income neighborhoods in particular will be less safe.
Zimmerman and Martin both had ended up in a terrible situation where both were fired up and afraid of the other. That was a recipe for a disaster.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
As far as me demonstrating self-control, I also wasn't having my head bashed in. Otherwise, you bet I would've shot him. Should I have been financially ruined by having to defend myself in a murder trial?
I think what is really sad is that this whole sordid incident has made people not want to get involved, and not to interact with their neighbors. I could grant you that Zimmerman may have been officious. But at least he was willing to take the time to get involved to keep his neighborhood safe. Had Saint Trayvon been anything other than a thug, he would've been thanking Zimmerman instead of bashing his head in. Why would anybody want to volunteer their time for neighborhood watch when this could easily happen to them as well? So, the result is that lower-income neighborhoods in particular will be less safe.
Ann's correct, we have strayed from the point of this thread - and I admit my culpability in that, as the divergent discussions have been absolutely fascinating.
I will say this - Trayvon Martin lost his life, and his parents will mourn his passing for the rest of their lives. They would not want their son to be remembered only as a thug.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Bill, I too have enjoyed it. While Ann is right that what we are discussing is hardly germane to the topic, that's the way conversations drift.
As far as Saint Trayvon goes, the fact remains he WAS a thug, and his parents likely bear some of the blame for that situation. The entire reason Saint Trayvon was around Zimmerman was because he had been suspended from school for possession of cannabis, possessing burglary tools, and likely stolen property. Considering Saint Trayvon was a known drug users, it was also likely the case that those Skittles and canned iced tea were not innocent either. I present the following for your consideration:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_drank
As far as Lewthwaite goes, since British elites aren't enlightened enough to allow capital punishment, let's hope she goes down fighting and is killed in action so it will be guaranteed she will never hurt another innocent person again.
Actually, Trayvon Martin has a brother who is a college student, upstanding citizen, and speaks with perfect English - he, too, was the product of the Martin's upbringing. If Trayvon was not perfect, I suspect that had much to do with the fact that his parents had divorced, and like many children in similar situations was traumatized by it.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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02 Oct 2013, 3:56 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
Of course not. You demonstrated self control and didn't kill him.
Zimmerman and Martin both had ended up in a terrible situation where both were fired up and afraid of the other. That was a recipe for a disaster.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
As far as me demonstrating self-control, I also wasn't having my head bashed in. Otherwise, you bet I would've shot him. Should I have been financially ruined by having to defend myself in a murder trial?
I think what is really sad is that this whole sordid incident has made people not want to get involved, and not to interact with their neighbors. I could grant you that Zimmerman may have been officious. But at least he was willing to take the time to get involved to keep his neighborhood safe. Had Saint Trayvon been anything other than a thug, he would've been thanking Zimmerman instead of bashing his head in. Why would anybody want to volunteer their time for neighborhood watch when this could easily happen to them as well? So, the result is that lower-income neighborhoods in particular will be less safe.
Zimmerman and Martin both had ended up in a terrible situation where both were fired up and afraid of the other. That was a recipe for a disaster.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
As far as me demonstrating self-control, I also wasn't having my head bashed in. Otherwise, you bet I would've shot him. Should I have been financially ruined by having to defend myself in a murder trial?
I think what is really sad is that this whole sordid incident has made people not want to get involved, and not to interact with their neighbors. I could grant you that Zimmerman may have been officious. But at least he was willing to take the time to get involved to keep his neighborhood safe. Had Saint Trayvon been anything other than a thug, he would've been thanking Zimmerman instead of bashing his head in. Why would anybody want to volunteer their time for neighborhood watch when this could easily happen to them as well? So, the result is that lower-income neighborhoods in particular will be less safe.
Ann's correct, we have strayed from the point of this thread - and I admit my culpability in that, as the divergent discussions have been absolutely fascinating.
I will say this - Trayvon Martin lost his life, and his parents will mourn his passing for the rest of their lives. They would not want their son to be remembered only as a thug.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Bill, I too have enjoyed it. While Ann is right that what we are discussing is hardly germane to the topic, that's the way conversations drift.
As far as Saint Trayvon goes, the fact remains he WAS a thug, and his parents likely bear some of the blame for that situation. The entire reason Saint Trayvon was around Zimmerman was because he had been suspended from school for possession of cannabis, possessing burglary tools, and likely stolen property. Considering Saint Trayvon was a known drug users, it was also likely the case that those Skittles and canned iced tea were not innocent either. I present the following for your consideration:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_drank
As far as Lewthwaite goes, since British elites aren't enlightened enough to allow capital punishment, let's hope she goes down fighting and is killed in action so it will be guaranteed she will never hurt another innocent person again.
Actually, Trayvon Martin has a brother who is a college student, upstanding citizen, and speaks with perfect English - he, too, was the product of the Martin's upbringing. If Trayvon was not perfect, I suspect that had much to do with the fact that his parents had divorced, and like many children in similar situations was traumatized by it.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
You could be right. What I am sure about is that had he handled Zimmerman like an adult, instead of a thug, he would be alive today.
02 Oct 2013, 4:01 pm
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