Jails = The New Mental Hospitals.
Can you believe this? Seems that the consequence of de-institutionalization 50 years ago is now, they're being sent to jails and prisons in large numbers. According to this New York Times article, more than half of American prisoners are diagnosed with mental illnesses. Are we returning to the 1800s or what? Here's a few interesting articles I've read about this issue.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 4245550546
"America's lockups are its new asylums. After scores of state mental institutions were closed beginning in the 1970s, few alternatives materialized. Many of the afflicted wound up on the streets, where, untreated, they became more vulnerable to joblessness, drug abuse and crime.
The country's three biggest jail systems?Cook County, in Illinois; Los Angeles County; and New York City?are on the front lines. With more than 11,000 prisoners under treatment on any given day, they represent by far the largest mental-health treatment facilities in the country. By comparison, the three largest state-run mental hospitals have a combined 4,000 beds.
Put another way, the number of mentally ill prisoners the three facilities handle daily is equal to 28% of all beds in the nation's 213 state psychiatric hospitals, according to the National Association of State Mental Health Program Directors Research Institute Inc.
"In every city and state I have visited, the jails have become the de facto mental institutions," says Esteban Gonzalez, president of the American Jail Association, an organization for jail employees.
Correctional systems define mental illness differently. Generally, the term is used to describe prisoners who require medication for serious issues ranging from major depressive disorders to schizophrenia and bipolar disorders. Also included are inmates with diagnoses that warrant overnight stays in a mental hospital or who demonstrate serious functional impairment.
To get a snapshot of how the U.S. is grappling with such an explosive societal issue, The Wall Street Journal surveyed all 50 states about issues of mental health within their prison populations. Of the 22 states that provided detailed responses, their mental-health patient ratios ranged from one in 10 inmates to one in two. Inmates in all 23 responding states account for 55% of the prisoners in the U.S. under state jurisdiction."
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opini ... -jail.html
http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/show ... cward.html
http://www.npr.org/2014/01/20/263461940 ... -cant-help
"Clearly, our society had determined that the state-run mental hospitals were abhorrent, that, my God, our society cannot tolerate this, we're much more advanced than that," Dart says. "I just find the irony so thick that that same society finds it OK to put the same people in jails and prisons."
What do you all think? I think it's especially troubling for the increasing numbers of autistic individuals in the country. I wouldn't be surprised if a number of these "mentally ill" are on the spectrum. With 80% unemployment, many of us realistically won't ever be fully independent. What happens after our parents pass on though? Aside from SSI/SSDI I worry that without proper supports, many of us may suffer the same fate one day
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Unfortunately, The general public here in the United States have a huge case of the disease called NIMBY (not in my backyard). The general public also suffers from Out of Sight, Out of Mind. As long as the general public doesn't see us loonies on the street, they could care less.
Didn't read the article yet.
My mom and I were talking about this the other month. She was telling me how people used to go to institutions where they were safe and well cared for. She said it was the minority they were abused and some were bad. But then they all got shut down in the 80s by Reagen and now we have all these mentally ill people running around and some are left homeless, some are getting in trouble with the law because they can't get help and neither can their families and some get so overwhelmed by them. It's not surprising how so many of the inmates have a mental illness. The prisons are like the new institutions for them and they have to break the law first to go there.
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NIMBYs? I'll say. In my town there's a respite house. It's a weekend getaway for people with mental illness. These people are not remotely violent yet the neighbours still complained so they had to set up a lot of arbitrary rules as though they're violent criminals. I'd be more worried about having untreated mentally ill people in the neighourhood than I would about a place where they get treatment.
Frankly, if you have a mental illness and commit a serious crime (murder,rape, kidnapping, child abuse, etc) you should be thrown into prison not into a mental institution.
The only exceptions would be those who have documented and proven conditions that can be medically declared 'insane' (aka schizophrenia, dementia, etc).
...but, if someone kills or shoots someone else because he was depressed or had anger problems... those belong in prison.
We really do not want to end up like Norway where a man can premeditate a mass murder and execute it and be sentenced to a placid resting home with bars because of his mental issues. A system like that will be abused (just like that nutcase did) and committing serious crimes gets rewarded with years of gov. pampering.
The only exceptions would be those who have documented and proven conditions that can be medically declared 'insane' (aka schizophrenia, dementia, etc).
...but, if someone kills or shoots someone else because he was depressed or had anger problems... those belong in prison.
We really do not want to end up like Norway where a man can premeditate a mass murder and execute it and be sentenced to a placid resting home with bars because of his mental issues. A system like that will be abused (just like that nutcase did) and committing serious crimes gets rewarded with years of gov. pampering.
I actually agree and it seems rare here that someone is thrown in a mental hospital when they are legally insane after being found not guilty to the crime they committed due to an illness.
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The only exceptions would be those who have documented and proven conditions that can be medically declared 'insane' (aka schizophrenia, dementia, etc).
...but, if someone kills or shoots someone else because he was depressed or had anger problems... those belong in prison.
We really do not want to end up like Norway where a man can premeditate a mass murder and execute it and be sentenced to a placid resting home with bars because of his mental issues. A system like that will be abused (just like that nutcase did) and committing serious crimes gets rewarded with years of gov. pampering.
The problem is these aren't specifically violent criminals that also have a mental illness....a large amount of mentally ill people in prison are there for non-violent offenses....not serious crims like murder, rape and child abuse.
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The only exceptions would be those who have documented and proven conditions that can be medically declared 'insane' (aka schizophrenia, dementia, etc).
...but, if someone kills or shoots someone else because he was depressed or had anger problems... those belong in prison.
We really do not want to end up like Norway where a man can premeditate a mass murder and execute it and be sentenced to a placid resting home with bars because of his mental issues. A system like that will be abused (just like that nutcase did) and committing serious crimes gets rewarded with years of gov. pampering.
Yeah that's the problem. Most haven't committed serious crimes like Sweetleaf said. Secondly, there AREN'T very many mental hospitals left for that. So as I said, there are people committing non-serious, non-violent offenses just to obtain their medications and such. How sad is that? How is that being tough on crime?
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The only exceptions would be those who have documented and proven conditions that can be medically declared 'insane' (aka schizophrenia, dementia, etc).
...but, if someone kills or shoots someone else because he was depressed or had anger problems... those belong in prison.
We really do not want to end up like Norway where a man can premeditate a mass murder and execute it and be sentenced to a placid resting home with bars because of his mental issues. A system like that will be abused (just like that nutcase did) and committing serious crimes gets rewarded with years of gov. pampering.
Yeah that's the problem. Most haven't committed serious crimes like Sweetleaf said. Secondly, there AREN'T very many mental hospitals left for that. So as I said, there are people committing non-serious, non-violent offenses just to obtain their medications and such. How sad is that? How is that being tough on crime?
Yeah, last term I did a project where I profiled/interviewed chronically homeless women. Most all of them had been in jail/prison for things like passing bad checks and drug beefs.
These aren't violent people. These are people who had the bad luck of being mentally ill and poor. Having no access to treatment, they self-medicate with illicit drugs. Having no way to support themselves, they turn to petty crimes.
These people need support, not punishment.
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the US needs to sort the jail system out for all vulnerable criminals,its in a horrible state.
still cannot believe the amount of people with intelectual disability they have charged on the same level as a normal functioning adult and have executed or jailed,they will be extremely vulnerable in that environment nor will they have the mental or emotional capacity to cope.
in this country,people with intelectual disability who have comited criminal acts are put into forensic hospitals instead and are treated and rehabilitated to go back into some sort of community care facility or independant living with support.
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My mom and I were talking about this the other month. She was telling me how people used to go to institutions where they were safe and well cared for. She said it was the minority they were abused and some were bad. But then they all got shut down in the 80s by Reagen and now we have all these mentally ill people running around and some are left homeless, some are getting in trouble with the law because they can't get help and neither can their families and some get so overwhelmed by them. It's not surprising how so many of the inmates have a mental illness. The prisons are like the new institutions for them and they have to break the law first to go there.

You might ask your mother if she has any real reason to blame it on Reagan other than vague ideas that he must have been responsible.
And you might want to read something a lot more factual and informative such as this: http://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/30/science/how-release-of-mental-patients-began.html:
''Extravagant claims were made for the benefits of shifting from state hospitals to community clinics,'' Dr. Smith said. ''The professional community made mistakes and was overly optimistic, but the political community wanted to save money.''
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The legislation sought to create a nationwide network of locally based mental health centers which, rather than large state hospitals, would be the main source of treatment. The center concept was aided by Federal funds for four and a half years, after which it was hoped that the states and local governments would assume responsibility.
''We knew that there were not enough resources in the community to do the whole job, so that some people would be in the streets facing society head on and questions would be raised about the necessity to send them back to the state hospitals,'' Dr. Brown said.
But, he continued, ''It happened much faster than we foresaw.'' The discharge of mental patients was accelerated in the late 1960's and early 1970's in some states as a result of a series of court decisions that limited the commitment powers of state and local officials.
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In restrospect it does seem clear that questions were not asked that might have been asked. In the thousands of pages of testimony before Congressional committees in the late 1950's and early 1960's, little doubt was expressed about the wisdom of deinstitutionalization. And the development of tranquilizing drugs was regarded as an unqualified ''godsend,'' as one of the nation's leading psychiatrists, Dr. Francis J. Braceland, described it when he testified before a Senate subcommittee in 1963.
It seems like your mother is blaming Reagan for something that was set in motion before he ever held any political office.
Doesnt the law mitigate the seriousness of a crime if the perpetrator happens to be mentally ill? Furthermore its almost 5am so I didnt read the article but do these mental illnesses include Antisocial personality disorders Depression Anxiety ADHD etc? These illnesses 99.99% of the time do not dimminish ones' culpability
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Doesnt the law mitigate the seriousness of a crime if the perpetrator happens to be mentally ill? Furthermore its almost 5am so I didnt read the article but do these mental illnesses include Antisocial personality disorders Depression Anxiety ADHD etc? These illnesses 99.99% of the time do not dimminish ones' culpability
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