Ok now I am officially freaked out:
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Uhh woah, wtf...apparently this recently took place downtown Denver, I live a bit outside denver...I even know right where that spot is that is way to close to home for comfort.
Now every time I go downtown I will be worried that if any protest takes place...that or worse will happen, even worse would be if I happen to be within the vicinity. Its not just the person getting arrested, but they looked to be using some rather unnecessary force there as well. I know this isn't from some second hand media outlet...don't even know if this made it onto the news.
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Once police declare an unlawful assembly, the sidewalk isn't protection.
Don't hang around with groups of people blocking things, and you'll be free from arrest in that situation.
I do not get what was unlawful...and I also do not think that claim justifies what looked to me like more brutality than needed. And I know where that area is, there is nothing to be blocking there I've been in that area multiple times. Also I haven't taken part in any of that really except now I am pissed about that video, but I imagine if the police decide to aggressively tackle and almost trample people what happens to people walking by or through who aren't actively even taking part. It is an area there would be people walking, the cops wouldn't be able to distinguish where the protesters start and the bystanders begin. Either way I thought we had the right to peacefully assemble in this country....guess not as we move towards fascism.
If I am walking around and there happens to be a protest in the area that I i don't want to have to worry about getting caught up in a mob of cops chasing down protestestors and risk getting injured when just going about my business...and if I so happened to be protesting something I don't think police brutality would be appropriate. But whatever I didn't expect everyone to even be bothered in the slightest by this.
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Once police declare an unlawful assembly, the sidewalk isn't protection.
Don't hang around with groups of people blocking things, and you'll be free from arrest in that situation.
I do not get what was unlawful...and I also do not think that claim justifies what looked to me like more brutality than needed. And I know where that area is, there is nothing to be blocking there I've been in that area multiple times. Also I haven't taken part in any of that really except now I am pissed about that video, but I imagine if the police decide to aggressively tackle and almost trample people what happens to people walking by or through who aren't actively even taking part. It is an area there would be people walking, the cops wouldn't be able to distinguish where the protesters start and the bystanders begin. Either way I thought we had the right to peacefully assemble in this country....guess not as we move towards fascism.
If I am walking around and there happens to be a protest in the area that I i don't want to have to worry about getting caught up in a mob of cops chasing down protestestors and risk getting injured when just going about my business...and if I so happened to be protesting something I don't think police brutality would be appropriate. But whatever I didn't expect everyone to even be bothered in the slightest by this.
I think I understand, correct me if I'm wrong...
The police arbitrarily decide when a protest is unlawful.
The police are willing to stretch the limit of the law, even to beyond the scope of the law, without regret.
The police are extremely brutal when breaking up any protest they deem to be unlawful.
The police do not discriminate when breaking up a protest.
And you are worried that one day you'll unknowingly be near a protest and that mobs of cops will run through the area and beat you thinking you are associated with a protest. Even if you were involved with the protest you think the brutality is unwarranted.
The legal system calls it the "chilling effect."
I'd agree. One of the reasons I wouldn't be part of a protest is because I am also afraid of having to face a cop's baton. The other reason is that protests tend to be crowded and loud.
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Pretty much I mean if that is how cops are going to react to protests, I would be concerned for my safety even if I was not actually taking part in said protest just being in the vicinity of the aggressive cops seems kinda risky you could say.....obviously I'd be even more concerned if I was taking part in the protest but....the large crowd aspect is not my favorite either having autism and all.
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Seems to me this just happens everywhere. Irrespective of the type of government, police forces eventually begin to view themselves as a subspecies with lots more teeth and an obligation to use them. Poor saps were subjugated into giving them an excuse. I was at that lightrail station not 4 months ago, it's eerily familiar to me as well. Any idea what they were protesting? I'm curious if this might be related to Colorado's out-of-nowhere movement in favor of secession from the U.S.
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I am concerned about my safety any time I deal with cops, these guys have pulled guns me on multiple occasions for no reason at all. I think what they do to protesters is wrong obviously but I'd personally be more afraid of dealing with 1 or 2 cops on their own than I would riot police. Those guys know they have eyes on them and are putting on a spectacle to intimidate and control, the worst they might do is detain you. What you don't want to do is get caught alone in a dark area without many people around with these beat cops, they're straight up thugs.
Frankly I'd say "due process" is for the lawyers, and the Constitution at this point really doesn't exist outside of public school social studies classes.
How do you stay out of trouble??
Don't join in.
Don't do something stupid like I just did there and stick your neck out on the Internet.
Don't say anything that could be construed as a threat in the most arcane, paranoid interpretation. Because we're moving toward a more paranoid world.
Don't be around protest marches or demonstrations. Be a chickenshit. Try to be situationally aware (in fact, stop thinking about what you're doing and if you look normal enough doing it, and look around and take note of what's going on in the surrounding area). If you see a large group of people forming, consider it time to GeTFOOD (Get The f**k Out Of Dodge). You should already be gone by the time they start chanting stuff and waving signs.
Because, yes, even if you're just trying to do your marketing or catch a train, you're autistic. That means you just happen to have a "f**k with me face."
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Seems to me this just happens everywhere. Irrespective of the type of government, police forces eventually begin to view themselves as a subspecies with lots more teeth and an obligation to use them. Poor saps were subjugated into giving them an excuse. I was at that lightrail station not 4 months ago, it's eerily familiar to me as well. Any idea what they were protesting? I'm curious if this might be related to Colorado's out-of-nowhere movement in favor of secession from the U.S.
Not entirely sure exactly, it might have been against police brutality in general not really a specified incident, but I really don't know could have been something more specific. I also was not aware there was a specific movement in favor of secession, is it like specific to colorado or in other states to?
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Yeah that would certainly not be a good thing...lol I tend to worry more about that then someone trying to rob me for instance, never really been bothered by anyone when I've had to walk at night at least with some random person trying to attack or steal I can do whatever I need to, to defend myself...if it was say a couple cops with the sort of mentality the ones in the video have well they could get you for assualt and resisting arrest if you do anything to defend yourself or get away if they decide to harass/assault you.
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How do you stay out of trouble??
Don't join in.
Don't do something stupid like I just did there and stick your neck out on the Internet.
Don't say anything that could be construed as a threat in the most arcane, paranoid interpretation. Because we're moving toward a more paranoid world.
Don't be around protest marches or demonstrations. Be a chickenshit. Try to be situationally aware (in fact, stop thinking about what you're doing and if you look normal enough doing it, and look around and take note of what's going on in the surrounding area). If you see a large group of people forming, consider it time to GeTFOOD (Get The f**k Out Of Dodge). You should already be gone by the time they start chanting stuff and waving signs.
Because, yes, even if you're just trying to do your marketing or catch a train, you're autistic. That means you just happen to have a "f**k with me face."
Doesn't look like I am capable of staying out of trouble than....I'd be more inclined to pull out my phone that has a camra find a good vantage point and then if anything like cops behaving like a mob of wild boars occurs I can get it on video. If one of them tries to stop me than my plan is run away as fast as I can and hope I run faster than them. Sure it freaks me out but....it also pisses me off that this is how the citizens of this country are treated by the police who are supposed to 'serve and protect' so can't very well ignore it and do nothing it would be easier for me if I could probably.
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It seemed the police were escalating the situation as usual. Someone should have sent them some donuts to distract them. They freak out in crowd situations. I get it, I avoid crowds myself. They take on a life of their own like a Hydra - each making the other braver. But the police should be deescalating, instead they make the first move and ram someone like it's a football game. Also, if Colorado secedes where do I apply for citizenship?