Sweden welcomes back ISIS-fighters

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Arond 80 have returned to Sweden, instead of Jail-time they got jobs and support: http://www.svt.se/nyheter/regionalt/tva ... is-krigare

Is this good or wrong?

So basiclly you can go to Syria, rape, kill, roob, burn and then return 1 month later "home" to Sweden like nothing happend. Wtf.

Lucifer is ruling Sweden. Thats one thing that is clear.

Well my browser did a crap job translating that article to english....but I actually do not entirely disagree with the concept, seems like a rehabilitation model. Or should we just throw anyone who has so much as had a distant cousin involved in ISIS or whatever terrorist group in prisons to rot for the rest of their lives cause the world needs more stagnant prison populations. Not saying coddle and be nice to terrorists, but at the same time many people get involved in stuff like that out of desperation or because of anger at injustices towards them that push them to be more extreme or because their a young confused person not sure where to turn who gets sucked into the wrong crowd and gets to the point its too late to just back out so wouldn't it make more sense to try and rehabilitate people who would otherwise go deeper into terrorism and contribute to more violence.

If you mean Lucifer in the sense of the light bringer...then perhaps he is ruling Sweden, since this actually sounds like a different approach and clearly different approaches are needed to deal with terrorism based on the fact its not getting solved as is.

rehabilitation? for isis fighters?

they cut the head of people and rape children, and laughing will doing it.

only a left wing wants to reward this type of behavior.

yes it is wrong.

How do you prove in a court that someone went to syria to fight for ISIS though?

If it can be proven they shouldn't be let back in,

There has to be a stick and carrot approach to the problem. The Israelis even rehabilitate Palestine suicide bombers through education and rehabilitation. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't work, but it's preferable to killing them outright or putting them away in jail forever. It's not that Sweden is welcoming back ISIS fighters. They are attempting to rehabilitate them through special programs and getting them to serve a useful purpose in life (ie. a job) when the alternative is to be marginalized by society.

"I'm tired of jihad, I'm going back to Sweden", LOL

The article is not very clear on who its rehabilitating, from the sound of it seems like this is more directed at people more indirectly involved or from the region who may have family involved or what not. Does not specify anything like welcoming back with open arms specific child rapers and beheaders.....how do we know that is the action these particular people have taken. I mean did all germans fighting in WW2 actively take part in exterminating jews? No....to a lot they where just fighting for their country, to some of these ISIS people that may be what it is to them, they think they are defending their 'home' from enemies...the leaders imply some pretty nasty tactics doesn't mean everyone getting mixed up in it has raped or beheaded anyone if that makes sense.

Also not sure rehabilitation is the same thing as rewarding negative behavior....that actually is not the goal of it. Admittedly the article does not translate well to english so could be missing out on some of what it says.

^this....also by not attempting any rehabilitation, it likely just would fuel the fire more...if such individuals just get further and further marginalized from society why would they even try to change or lead a less violent more fulfilling life? If the alternative of continuing to fight for ISIS and hope for the best is a life of being completely marginalized or imprisoned with no chance of rehabilitation I wonder what they'd pick, especially since a lot of ISIS fighters are likely young disillusioned people with ISIS willing to 'accept' them with open arms. I don't doubt for one minute that tactic is used by ISIS, its the same with gangs and neo-nazis they love to try and suck in people who feel alone/unsupported and disillusioned by offering this sense of family/community,

I've got some re-hab for them......

Alright these people rip people away from there families and behead them for disagreeing with them

They demand money from people of other religions for them to continue living at all and will kill them in cold blood if they don't

They rape and pillage towns like crazy and don't feel bad for doing it

They repress women and revert there rights

They want ultimate censorship and demand that there is no western anything

How can you justify anything these people do in any way? you claim there "oppression" causes them do this s**t but you can literally just stop believing in a religion or convert to another one, its not rocket science. I don't support islamophobia but you can not justify defending the people who do this s**t, people who kill innocents because of there religious beliefs, rehabilitation needs be for people who have deep-seated mental and addiction problems not people who kill innocents in the name of there god. homosexuals are oppressed often yet you don't see them beheading straight people and demanding money for them to continue to live, there have been very few instances of blacks killing white people merely for being white, there have not been many cases of women killing men for being , and when they do they should not be allowed to return to there country and be able to take tax dollars from it

This is like trying to defend the British soldiers who willingly joined the crusades, or defending the actions of Israel against Gaza

I don't like to become an irrational prick but what you said really pissed me off.

Sorry about my irrational rant before but.

During the end of ww2 almost all able bodied men (and eventually even retired seniors and children) were forced into the Schutzstaffel and Wehrmacht even if they did not want too, whereas people willingly move from there home country in these cases to fight for something that they don't even have too believe in anyway. And when you say we should rehab them by avoiding fueling the flame does that mean we should attempt to rehabilitate thieves, rapists, pedophiles, etc? people need to learn that there are punishments for there actions and fighting for a group which promotes genocide, executions, kidnappings should not result in coming home in a country which does not support that and being given a "get out of jail free" card,

Don't agree with rehabilitation as there is no disincentive to prevent future recruits. However the Swedes are governed by the rule of law so unless there is a youtube video that clearly identifies one of these men in a criminal act there is nothing to prosecute them over, other than being members of ISIS.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad idea. Unless they're keeping these people under constant 24/7 surveillance, they're basically playing with fire. These people have been brainwashed into following ISIS' beliefs, and by simply allowing them to come back home, they're courting the risk of these fighters launching an attack on home soil. They may claim that they're sick of fighting out in the desert, but they may simply be using that as an excuse to line up an attack.

and then after the attack everyone has to be put under surveillance

Good, please take them back away from us.

What choice does Sweden have?

Whats salient about the individuals is not that they were once dumb enough to join ISIS, but that they got smart and are now trying to leave ISIS.

You reward individuals for doing what you WANT them to do (like LEAVE ISIS), and you dont punish them for doing what you WANT them to do (like leave ISIS). You don't punish them for leaving ISIS, and you dont force them back into the arms of international terrorism if they want to leave international terrorism by exiling them.

Simply being a member of ISIS doesnt necessarily mean that you even ever heard a gunshot fired in anger (every army has mess hall workers, and truck drivers, and medics, who dont do combat). And even if the individual fought other armed troops in combat the individual might not have been involved in any of the headline making atrocities (like killing civilians). And if the individuals was in the subset of personnel involved in killing civilians-then you have to try them as individuals- which is not very feasible since any witnesses still alive would still be in the war zones of Iraq and Syria and would be hard sepoena for Swedish court.