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05 Feb 2015, 10:35 pm

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The answer to "Rise of the Drones" is "How to Build an EMP Generator" http://www.wikihow.com/Build-an-EMP-Generator . Remember the weakest link.


The Terminator would laugh at your puny EMP generator.


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17 Feb 2015, 8:08 pm

Oh dear ....
I'm too late, the robots are taking all the jobs away from us.
(What precisely would a robot Zumba instructor look like ??)

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-to ... ce=popular


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26 Mar 2015, 8:01 pm

And now for something completely old.
A 240 year old "robot" that writes messages using a quill and ink.
Fascinating stuff ...

http://www.chonday.com/Videos/the-writer-automaton


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26 Mar 2015, 9:03 pm

Prof_Pretorius wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
The answer to "Rise of the Drones" is "How to Build an EMP Generator" http://www.wikihow.com/Build-an-EMP-Generator . Remember the weakest link.


The Terminator would laugh at your puny EMP generator.


Not unless it had really, really good shielding, like a Faraday cage enclosing it, but of course, then it likely wouldn't be nearly as threatening. :P

To be honest, I actually fear a gigantic EMP hitting the Earth more than the singularity. The last one that hit was in the late 19th century, and it took out the world's telegraph networks. Now, with all the electrical infrastructure we have and rely on, the effects would be much more devastating. An EMP from the sun would likely take out all the satellites that orbit the Earth as well.



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26 Mar 2015, 9:29 pm

Robots controlled by people are a much, much greater threat than artificially intelligent robots.



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14 Apr 2015, 9:30 pm

Just read the plot synopsis of the movie "Ex Machina". And boy oh boy am I disappointed. I won't go into the spoilers, but for a movie that has been described as dealing with Kubrickian ideas has such a flat footed ending. And I'm sure the reviewers will gush over the 'surprise' ending.

It's a surprise only if you've never seen a sci-fi 'creature turn on it's maker' movie.


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15 Apr 2015, 8:07 am

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I dunno, it's pretty scary how intelligent and human-like computers can be nowadays. I like the idea of computers being big, "dumb" machines that are good at crunching numbers and doing ONLY what they are programmed to do. I may have watched the Terminator movies too many times, but the idea of the singularity scares the living s**t out of me. When the machines rise and become our new overlords, I know I'm going to be on the frontlines fighting them, while preserving "dumb" machines that pose no threat to humanity.

Of course, if dolphins had opposable thumbs, we would probably be doing tricks for them right now. I wouldn't be surprised if they were smarter than us, and I think the world would be better off overall if they were in charge. They're not a perfect species, as they still murder each other out of spite, but I have a feeling they would be a lot more "wise" than we are overall.


At least we're not on their menu.

I wish I could say the same about humans feasting on dolphins the way some peoples do. I don't think it's right to eat other intelligent species. In fact it nauseates me to even think about it. Please people: Don't eat other intelligent creatures.


I don't think it's right to eat dolphins either, or apes for that matter. Species like pigs, dogs, octopi, those are a bit questionable as they are somewhat intelligent, but I'm not sure if they really have self-awareness or not. Pork is just too damn delicious anyhow. :P

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Haha I don't eat pork for this reason- pigs are so human-like. They're super intelligent. I always felt connected to them but stopped eating pork (man, i do miss it though) when my friend told me a story as a teen; A farmer found his 100s of pigs worked together to get to the thermostat, to turn the heating on when cold, and off when they reached their desired temperature. I don't even think a bunch of average humans would work that out unless they knew what a thermostat was!

I believe consciousness is just what happens when things connect and patterns and consensus start to emerge. All consciousness needs sensory input, creates a sensory output, which then needs to be interpreted by something else to Really exist (like when a tree falls but doesn't make a sound unless it is heard). We have created an extremely powerful consciousness in the Internet- it works like a massive metal brain and has almost all the knowledge humans posess in total.

To me, consciousness is a sliding scale, to do with the number of units communicating (whether they be people, wires, brain cells or pigs) and how much info/input/output those units deal with. It's a series of systems making one big system, which is all anything is. The more information being processed, changed to output and passed on, the higher the state of consciousness.


Just because robots initially needed input from us and have set codes to deliver output, it doesn't mean they are not conscious in some way. We all have our genetic code as our initial "input", which then processes external info continually, adapting and creating new systems to deal with new kinds of information based on previous "lessons" learned, and this isn't any different to the coding in these robots is it? I think whether something is conscious is all to do with the amount of information being processed and communicated and I believe there is no such thing as original thought. Humans are robots and Autism is to run a different programme to the majority. It's like the tiniest difference in initial input (possibly genes and uterine environment), has affected how we process the environmental information so it creates quite a different output.

If we code robots to be self-destructive this is not an answer, as it would turn around and bite us as soon as their consciousness is good enough to question imperfect authority figures, which wouldn't take long if they have access to our Internet and realise that humans are pretty useless at processing without ridiculously selfish bias.

We can't really protect ourselves when we venture into this. Coding a "being" to be self-destructive and to feel "less" than human could also have massive negative implications. We'll just have to accept we'll not be in control of anything. Humans don't seem to want to think about the results of our meddling before we go ahead any more, and were getting more greedy and therefore more reckless, but I guess that's natural. Maybe we should all be wiped out soon for the good of everything else sharing our space? Alternatively, Maybe AI will sort us all out by getting rid of only the greedy people, because that seems like the most logical thing to do if you've been coded to protect the earth, and humans as a species?

I do find it terrifying that our jobs (and therefore self-respect) are disappearing to machines but we attack anyone who wants humans to work less as a result, or anyone who expects that we should all be reaping the benefits instead of piling more unreasonable expectations onto us animals as individuals and making us all depressed. How come we apparently have less to do to survive (machines to help us build shelter, wash clothes, harvest food, communicate, travel, diagnose health concerns etc), but most people still have to work hard at jobs they hate until they die early and miserably. Why does my boyfriend work 12hr 17min (yes it is that specific) shifts in a sh***y environment to make paper IOUs for already-rich people, or to spend all his money on energy bills, and on taxes, to keep other people locked away at their equally-god-awful boring and soul-destroying job for the most time possible. We are obviously targeting our amazing energies at the unimportant things. How come there used to be one bread-winner per family and everyone else got on with their roles and they mostly survived well, with next-to-no technology available? And now apparently both parents need to work, to pay someone else to bring up their children, who will have to stay with them until they're 21 because apparently there's no jobs, because the "immigrants have taken all the jobs", whilst all feeling unwell and stressed despite our apparently-brilliant healthcare. If people decide to work at being self-sufficient or to be skint and volunteer full-time then they're apparently work-shy, no good for our "economy", so might as well be dead. They don't care that we NEED those kind of people more than at any other time. None of it makes sense. Some people are meant for better things but they spend their time working for the wrong people because they feel like that's the only option, when we all should be working towards our morals/ethics and the system would take care of itself. I don't think humans are naturally this selfish. We have managed to set up and buy into a system we all hate (except that top 1% I guess) so for a while we should concentrate on machines that will help disadvantaged people get up to the level of the rest in being well-balanced and happy. Right now we're money-focused only, creating machines and systems that don't work too well, and then going onto the next one until we have a world of badly-behaving electronics. Why could we create a washing machine that lasted 25 years in 1970, but now they die within 5 years? Because they have their reasons to create more work to keep the underclass busy, bored and stupid, keeping them from overturning the injustices their governments/employers commit or following their own visions of what life should be.

This was just a ramble so if it doesn't make sense just ignore haha x


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15 Apr 2015, 9:45 pm

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Moore's law might come to an end, but that doesn't mean exponential progress in technology will end. We had exponential progress before Moore's law when we were shrinking vacuum tubes too. In fact it followed a predictable trend right through to today. There are already different methods being devised and tested and implemented for pushing computers even faster without the need to keep on shrinking transistors. I recommend watching some videos from Ray Kurzweil.


I don't think you quite understand Moore's Law... All we are doing with the silicon transistor is shrinking it. Moore's law ends because we reach the physical limitation of the silicon chip and nano-electronics in general.
New technologies that are anywhere near practical usability are extremely limited and have taken decades to get to where they are now. Beyond that, there isn't development infrastructure for those technologies... not to mention the incredible software challenges involved with making such a transition.
All major long-term paths for computers still require large room-sized apparatus and teams of engineers to perform calculations.
Even with the proposed short term solutions, each has unique coding advantages and disadvantages and there aren't many people who are acquainted well enough to how to exploit those differences. In other words, it'll be hell to be an early adapter. For example, if H.P.'s memristor actually works effectively and they actually make something with it, it'll be the first real major change to the fundamentals in computer architecture since John von Neumann! - do you have any idea how large of a change to methods of programming that would cause?


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15 Apr 2015, 9:55 pm

Prof_Pretorius wrote:
Just read the plot synopsis of the movie "Ex Machina". And boy oh boy am I disappointed. I won't go into the spoilers, but for a movie that has been described as dealing with Kubrickian ideas has such a flat footed ending. And I'm sure the reviewers will gush over the 'surprise' ending.

It's a surprise only if you've never seen a sci-fi 'creature turn on it's maker' movie.


Kubrick was a genius among geniuses. Almost all claims, if not all claims, towards rivaling or comparing his work is garbage that is not to be taken seriously.


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16 Apr 2015, 12:23 pm

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Prof_Pretorius wrote:
Just read the plot synopsis of the movie "Ex Machina". And boy oh boy am I disappointed. I won't go into the spoilers, but for a movie that has been described as dealing with Kubrickian ideas has such a flat footed ending. And I'm sure the reviewers will gush over the 'surprise' ending.

It's a surprise only if you've never seen a sci-fi 'creature turn on it's maker' movie.


Kubrick was a genius among geniuses. Almost all claims, if not all claims, towards rivaling or comparing his work is garbage that is not to be taken seriously.



Well spoken ! ! Hear, hear ! !


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17 Apr 2015, 8:41 am

Before producing AI, "I" has to be defined.

The second problem, Real Imitation Artificial "I" has to be produced.

This is a "New Coke" problem, no one agrees what "Classic" tastes like.

Besides flavor, new processes call for people able to configure, Chemists for Coke, Geeks, Nerds, and Autistic Outcast Coders for Real Imitation Artificial "I".

So AI will have a deep background in Dungeons and Dragons, Lord of the Rings, Japanese Cat Girls, and other Manga, with a wide range of sexual themes of uncommon knowledge of minority behavior.

The first attempts at understanding come from the NSA, And Google. NSA records everything, because it is possible, and can bring up all records on any person. It is fairly useless unless you know who the person is. Under people with Middle East connections, groups, we find The Little Sisters Of the Poor, and all of the porn they have accessed, downloaded, to gain an understanding of what the world is.

Also just the leading porn viewers are Police Departments, who get paid for it. Also, the leading posters of kiddie porn, because it is not illegal to post kiddie porn if used as evidence in a sting to arrest the people who down load it, but it is when they do.

Google targets ads based on your web search, my eBay searches for old motorcycle parts get ads for new car parts.

A search for Clovis Comet, gets all sorts of offers, for current address of Comet Clovis, Clovis Comet, their arrest record, Clovis, NM, and offers to sell Clovis Comet at the best price on the web.

The basic nature shown is Predatory or Spam. First applications are Government, and Corporations.

Banks delay posting deposits so they can rake in some overdraft fees, and they target the poor.

Spyware Cookies track your web travels, and most computers have hundreds.

The Post Office scans all your mail. Facebook, ISPs, give your password to the Government, FedEx and UPS likely do the same.

AI would have the CIA and FBI making sure that it gave the right answers.

AI would not be allowed to read The Constitution.

AI would publish more than Snowden.

One all seeing AI would bring out all the control freaks.

We have been conditioned to seek truth, because we are all the same human, and there is only one correct answer.

Unless you are an Aspie, or other mental construct.

Recent Science, there is more genetic range within homo sapiens, than there is between us and the great apes.

Even in closely related groups, North Europeans, there are a dozen personality types. There is more divergence within each personality type.

In Science, even if the facts are not in dispute, their meaning often is.

In Politics and Religion, all facts are in dispute.

The only way for AI to stay sane is find one human it agrees with, and kill all the rest.



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17 Apr 2015, 9:36 am

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Before producing AI, "I" has to be defined.

The second problem, Real Imitation Artificial "I" has to be produced.

This is a "New Coke" problem, no one agrees what "Classic" tastes like.



Classic coke tastes like the coca plant. The coke company removes the active ingredient (tropane alkaloid, also known as cocain) from the coca leaves and then imports whats left of the leaves to their factories where they create the flavor for coke. The Stepan Company is the nation's only legal commercial importer of coca leaves, which it obtains mainly from Peru. The Stepan Company primarily sells the "spent leaves" to Coca-Cola and Mallinckrodt.
Secondly, coke tastes like the Kola nut.The Kola nut is also the where Coke get's it's caffeine. In 1911, the U.S. government initiated United States v. Forty Barrels and Twenty Kegs of Coca-Cola, hoping to force Coca-Cola to remove caffeine from its formula.The flavor of coca-cola is very literally "Coca-Kola." They weren't very creative with the name.

Intelligence is a lot harder to define.


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17 Apr 2015, 1:30 pm

Typically, men think AI would be best put to use as sex machines. But how that would work is questionable. The 'skin' wouldn't feel like human skin, and what about the underlying structure? A sex bot would have to have a human-like skeleton so there weren't any sharp edges underneath the 'skin'.
And so on...

On the other hand, knowing how horny some blokes are, maybe none of that would matter.


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17 Apr 2015, 9:32 pm

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Typically, men think AI would be best put to use as sex machines.


That's incredibly sexist. I don't think most men think with their dicks, especially not in tangent with advanced computer science.


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18 Apr 2015, 1:23 am

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Prof_Pretorius wrote:
Typically, men think AI would be best put to use as sex machines.


That's incredibly sexist. I don't think most men think with their dicks, especially not in tangent with advanced computer science.


?????????? Here on Earth the driving force behind AI has been Robotics, with the main goal a Domestic Bot.

Japan is already producing Sexbots.

Industrial Robotics are developed machine tools, defined as only good for one thing.

By design they have to be bolted to the floor. The current quest is for mobile multi function.

To navigate, climb stairs, and go get me a beer from the fridge.

Wheels and tracks do not work, our world is made for walking on two legs.

Form follows function, domestic bots walk. The ones I have seen were built in the form of a ten year old Japanese girl.

Prototypes have been rapidly evolving. The robot girl in Big O, was mostly metal and fluids, early teen, small, and weighed over three hundred pounds. She was very strong.

The latest have plastic bones, and lighter motive power systems.

The main advances have been being able to walk, get up if they fall over, and to follow voice commands.

Intelligence is limited to goto, get, return.

It is a more versatile version of the industrial robot.

Complex tasks, cook, do the dishes, laundry, vacuum, make beds, are harder to program.

Part of that will be developed in the fast food bot. Single location, produce burger and fries.

A workstation fit for bots will be needed, to make domestic bots work the kitchen needs to be redesigned.

At the other end, robots that can converse with humans, robots with facial expression, has mostly been driven by the sex doll industry. The limited range of sex acts and positions was easy to program. So far they lack mobility, being made light and being moved by wheelchair.

Expensive for now, limited, but with a few more years development, and mass production, it is all going to converge.

Like Computer Graphics, 3D is getting very real. Lifelike faces, motion, that seem intelligent. Alive.

Once developed in video, programing robot faces will be next. Walking down the street, one of the last ten people you saw was a robot, and you do not know which one. I would give that five to ten years. In the same time the reception desk robot will have highly developed human skills.

Robotic AI will have limited range, but the fast food bot might make the best burger ever. Limited range, exceptional performance.

Adapting humans to the new reality will be easier than programing AI. An apartment made with a built in domestic all functions fit in one program. Then we will be living in their world.



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27 Apr 2015, 8:13 pm

Thank you Inventor, as always you give me plenty to think about.

I think locomotion will prove to be elusive. That is, as far as imitating the way humans walk. It'll be easier to have robots roll about like those things in the Mall Cop movie. (Forgot the name.)

But just imagine the money that otherwise seemingly normal men would pay for a fling with a willing sex partner who has no diseases and no memory of the encounter. No worry of pregnancy. Any fetish entertained. (Well, most any.) Of course the mouth wouldn't be like a real woman's mouth, that's too difficult to reproduce faithfully. But the other bits, ah yes, those bits important to a man. Truly a rich man's toy.


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