150 dead after Germanwings jet crashes in the French Alps
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I certainly wouldn't hurt 150 innocent people.
Me, NEITHER!! I was too chicken to kill MYSELF, when I thought about it, about 35 years ago----mainly, because I didn't want to hurt my FAMILY----I CERTAINLY couldn't kill someone ELSE (unless it was in self-defense, of course)!
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Reprogram the autopilot in a meltdown?
Lock out keypad access to the flight deck in a meltdown?
I don't think so.
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Reprogram the autopilot in a meltdown?
Lock out keypad access to the flight deck in a meltdown?
I don't think so.
Maybe if it's instinct.
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CNN has just reported that Lubitz's doctor had called his vision problems psychosomatic. If true, then I guess he was mentally ill after all. Not that Narcissistic Personality Disorder and mental illness can't coexist in the same person.
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The rare autistic that becomes a killer uses his/her natural abilities (attunement to fine details and intense focus) to methodically plan and execute. This was too spur of the moment to be caused by an autistic.
From what "I" heard, it was NOT, seemingly, "spur-of-the-moment", as he told his former girlfriend, quite awhile ago, that he was gonna do something that would make everybody know his name----that seems "thought-out", to ME! No one, that "I" know of, has said anything about it being Autism / Aspergers, though.
I'm pretty sure it was spur of the moment based exclusively on the fact that he had to have sole control of the airplane to down it, meaning the pilot had to leave the cockpit. There's no guarantee the guy leaves his seat every flight, even if he habitually does, there's no guarantee that it would happen every time. Lubitz saw an opportunity and he took it.
Also, ex-girlfriends make up tons of s**t, especially when they get cameras/attention/15 minutes of fame. Even if he did claim "he was gonna do something that would make everybody know his name" doesn't prove that he had a plan, just that he had intent. Show me a suicide note, manifesto, any documentation really, that showed he had a plan.
I just don't see autism in his actions. If he were autistic he wouldn't just hijack and crash the plane, he'd hijack it and do something more clever than just crash it. I mean look at Lanza, Holmes, and the Columbine shooters, all whom the media have at times claimed have/had Asperger's Syndrome-- those attacks were all well planned and crafted (heinous, but well planned).
There's too much variable and chance on Lubitz gaining sole control of the plane for him to have a well thought out plan. Now he may have fantasized about it before hand, and seized the opportunity when it arose, but that's not planning it's merely fantasy+opportunity to act it out. My lay opinion on the matter is that dude was depressed about losing his career due to the sight issue, saw an opportunity to share his depression with the world, and took it.
The rare autistic that becomes a killer uses his/her natural abilities (attunement to fine details and intense focus) to methodically plan and execute. This was too spur of the moment to be caused by an autistic.
From what "I" heard, it was NOT, seemingly, "spur-of-the-moment", as he told his former girlfriend, quite awhile ago, that he was gonna do something that would make everybody know his name----that seems "thought-out", to ME! No one, that "I" know of, has said anything about it being Autism / Aspergers, though.
I'm pretty sure it was spur of the moment based exclusively on the fact that he had to have sole control of the airplane to down it, meaning the pilot had to leave the cockpit. There's no guarantee the guy leaves his seat every flight, even if he habitually does, there's no guarantee that it would happen every time. Lubitz saw an opportunity and he took it.
Also, ex-girlfriends make up tons of s**t, especially when they get cameras/attention/15 minutes of fame. Even if he did claim "he was gonna do something that would make everybody know his name" doesn't prove that he had a plan, just that he had intent. Show me a suicide note, manifesto, any documentation really, that showed he had a plan.
I just don't see autism in his actions. If he were autistic he wouldn't just hijack and crash the plane, he'd hijack it and do something more clever than just crash it. I mean look at Lanza, Holmes, and the Columbine shooters, all whom the media have at times claimed have/had Asperger's Syndrome-- those attacks were all well planned and crafted (heinous, but well planned).
There's too much variable and chance on Lubitz gaining sole control of the plane for him to have a well thought out plan. Now he may have fantasized about it before hand, and seized the opportunity when it arose, but that's not planning it's merely fantasy+opportunity to act it out. My lay opinion on the matter is that dude was depressed about losing his career due to the sight issue, saw an opportunity to share his depression with the world, and took it.
It was planned all right. He was encouraging the senior pilot to leave the cockpit saying he had everything under control. He then locked the pilot out from returning to the cockpit to give him enough time to crash the plane. He had an obsession with the Alps which just happened to be where he crashed the plane. If the captain hadn't left the cockpit he wouldn't have taken over the controls and so it would have been the next flight or the next flight after that he would have crashed the plane.
Again, that's not really a plan, that's being opportunistic. They are two different things. When 9/11 happened you think the terrorists said, "oh there's a military guy on this plane, let's just postpone it until tomorrow." No, they had a plan and they executed it. Lubitz had a suicidal fantasy and when opportunity came along he took it. I don't see this guy spending weeks/months planning this event (ala James Holmes, Adam Lanza, or the Columbine killers), if he did spend weeks planning he came up with a pretty simple/sh***y plan-- all the more reason he's most likely not autistic, which is my main point after all.
The rare autistic that becomes a killer uses his/her natural abilities (attunement to fine details and intense focus) to methodically plan and execute. This was too spur of the moment to be caused by an autistic.
From what "I" heard, it was NOT, seemingly, "spur-of-the-moment", as he told his former girlfriend, quite awhile ago, that he was gonna do something that would make everybody know his name----that seems "thought-out", to ME! No one, that "I" know of, has said anything about it being Autism / Aspergers, though.
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Small point: This is not what has been reported. The passengers were only sufficiently aware of their danger to scream in terror for a few seconds, according to those who have heard the recordings. Not that this detail diminishes the magnitude of the crime.
People die everyday. While it's better if everyone is always good to each other the truth is humans do commit violence. When violence happens we shouldn't act so outraged and deny that we are like that.
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I read that newspapers reported that on the black box there were screams from 10:32 until 10:40 when the plane crashed. I don't know if it is the truth, many things are still unsure. But imagine the pilot was desperately trying to get in the cockpit; this is going to scare the passengers.
I cannot understand what you are saying...it is a minority of humans that are capable of such violence.
So you would be understanding and not outraged if it was your family/friends that were lost in this tragedy?
I read that newspapers reported that on the black box there were screams from 10:32 until 10:40 when the plane crashed. I don't know if it is the truth, many things are still unsure. But imagine the pilot was desperately trying to get in the cockpit; this is going to scare the passengers.
Yes, that makes sense.
I know Bild reported this, but the French investigator said in a conference that the screaming was only for the last few seconds. He may have been lying to protect the feelings of the families, but until there is something more official than the Bild report, I won't believe that version over the one the investigator gave in the press conference.
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